GREEN KILLERS: CONGO’S MINERS DYING TO FEED WORLD’S HUNGER FOR ELECTRIC CARS

[Into the Night]

Didn't you recently tell the board that the "Definition" of entropy was e(t) < e(t+1)?

No. Go read it again.

I have to tell you that was hilarious. Can you tell me which particular chemistry or physics text you got that "version" from? Because

Science isn't a book.

(A) entropy is not represented by "e" but rather "S" in chemistry and physics.

Semantics fallacy. It does not matter. Strawman fallacy.

(B) the second law is very specific.

You and ignore and discard it.

There are local situations in which the entropy term is actually NEGATIVE (ie entropy decreases)

Not possible. There is no such thing as a 'local' situation for the 2nd law of thermodynamics. You cannot compare two systems as if they are the same system. False equivalence fallacy.

but the key to the second law is that in a CLOSED system such that no energy can come into the system.

The system chosen must be closed AND consistent. No energy source of sink from outside the chosen system may be considered. You cannot compare two systems as if they are the same system.

This is where entropy always increases. And it applies to the universe since universally entropy increases, but there are many situations in which entropy actually DECREASES LOCALY

Not possible. There is no 'locally'.

(ie inside your refrigerator when ice is formed, that's a situation where the entropy of the water goes to a LOWER value as it crystallizes.

A refrigerator cannot form ice on it's own. Therefore, you cannot consider any energy source powering the refrigerator or any energy sink such as radiating coils.

The reason your fridge doesn't violate the Second Law is that it dumps a bunch of heat to the external world which causes the overall entropy of the universe to increase.

False equivalence fallacy. You cannot compare two systems as if they are the same system.
If you choose the closed system of power plant, refrigerator, and house, entropy is still increasing. There is no 'local'. If you consider just the refrigerator itself, there is no power. No ice.

If you want to know how chemists think about entropy try looking at the Gibbs Free Energy equation.

Buzzword fallacy. Non-sequitur fallacy.

Then go look up some values in the literature for entropy of various reactions.

Non-sequitur fallacy.

You cannot use buzzwords to make the 2nd law of thermodynamics go away. You cannot compare two systems as if they are the same system either.

 

[Into the Night]

I have tried this gambit with them. They simply ignore the fact that they use Li a LOT.

These people couldn't care less about poor kids in Africa. If it was required to murder a poor kid in Africa for gallon of cheap gas most of these fucks wouldn't care. But if it can be used to score a point against the "libs" then it's all they care about. Suddenly these people, most of whom are TERRIFIED of brown people, can't get enough alligator tears welled up about these poor people.

It's disgusting to see the hypocrisy.

The lithium is not mined in the Congo. Cobalt is.
The cobalt required for the tiny cell phone batteries can easily be obtained from other sources besides the Congo.

 

[Into the Night]

Cobalt is used to harden steal, and would be used in most of the toughest cutting bits. It is also used in oil drills, which also need to be tough.

Cobalt is not in steel. Cobalt coated cutting bits are not the toughest bits. Drill bits are typically either high speed steel (no cobalt coating) or titanium coated. Cobalt coated cutting bits are only good for certain specific uses. High speed steel has no cobalt. The amount of cobalt used for this purpose can easily be obtained from sources other than the Congo.

Li-ion batteries, however, use a lot of cobalt.

 

[RB 60]

Cobalt is not in steel. Cobalt coated cutting bits are not the toughest bits. Drill bits are typically either high speed steel (no cobalt coating) or titanium coated. Cobalt coated cutting bits are only good for certain specific uses. High speed steel has no cobalt. The amount of cobalt used for this purpose can easily be obtained from sources other than the Congo.

Li-ion batteries, however, use a lot of cobalt.

Cobalt drills are a 5% to 8% mixture of Cobalt with hi-speed steel.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Cobalt drills are a 5% to 8% mixture of Cobalt with hi-speed steel.

Did U ever do Jeopardy?

 

[RB 60]

Did U ever do Jeopardy?

No. Why?

 

[Hawkeye10]

No. Why?

You seem to have a thing for esoteric knowledge.

 

[RB 60]

You seem to have a thing for esoteric knowledge.

I am a machinist and toolmaker.

 

[Hawkeye10]

I am a machinist and toolmaker.

There was once a lot like U in Rockford.

Then over just a few years all of those jobs were exported to China.

 

[RB 60]

There was once a lot like U in Rockford.

Then over just a few years all of those jobs were exported to China.

Some were. There are still some manual machine shops around making repair parts for various machinery and farm equipment. They make good money.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Some were. There are still some manual machine shops around making repair parts for various machinery and farm equipment. They make good money.

When those guys, and they are always guys, die there will be no one who knows how to do it.

 

[RB 60]

When those guys, and they are always guys, die there will be no one who knows how to do it.

Manual machinists are a dying breed, but there are a few left.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Manual machinists are a dying breed, but there are a few left.

I Know.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

No. Go read it again.

Science isn't a book.

Semantics fallacy. It does not matter. Strawman fallacy.

You and ignore and discard it.

Not possible. There is no such thing as a 'local' situation for the 2nd law of thermodynamics. You cannot compare two systems as if they are the same system. False equivalence fallacy.

The system chosen must be closed AND consistent. No energy source of sink from outside the chosen system may be considered. You cannot compare two systems as if they are the same system.

Not possible. There is no 'locally'.

A refrigerator cannot form ice on it's own. Therefore, you cannot consider any energy source powering the refrigerator or any energy sink such as radiating coils.

False equivalence fallacy. You cannot compare two systems as if they are the same system.
If you choose the closed system of power plant, refrigerator, and house, entropy is still increasing. There is no 'local'. If you consider just the refrigerator itself, there is no power. No ice.

Buzzword fallacy. Non-sequitur fallacy.

Non-sequitur fallacy.

You cannot use buzzwords to make the 2nd law of thermodynamics go away. You cannot compare two systems as if they are the same system either.

It's so weird to talk to someone and have every single thing you say go FLYING over their heads. I don't know why I waste my time with you. I think I'll just go back to posting silly pictures in response to your silly posts.

I feel sorry for you if you actually ARE this uneducated.

 

[Into the Night]

You are a contrarian, When you were taught by parents to say NO, you should have learned other words. https://www.blm.gov/sites/default/files/docs/2021-04/BLM-AK-Cobalt-Infographic.pdf Read the industrial uses, them come back and apologize.

Psychoquackery. That doesn't make cobalt magickally appear in tires or airbags.

 

[Nordberg]

Psychoquackery. That doesn't make cobalt magickally appear in tires or airbags.

Psychoquackery? How does that make sense? You are proudly and stubbornly stupid. https://www.smithers.com/resources/2019/dec/webinar-cobalt-usage-in-tire-belt-coat What is wrong with you?

 

[Into the Night]

Psychoquackery? How does that make sense? You are proudly and stubbornly stupid. https://www.smithers.com/resources/2019/dec/webinar-cobalt-usage-in-tire-belt-coat What is wrong with you?

There is no cobalt in tires. Attempted proof by Holy Link.

 

[Into the Night]

It's so weird to talk to someone and have every single thing you say go FLYING over their heads. I don't know why I waste my time with you. I think I'll just go back to posting silly pictures in response to your silly posts.

I feel sorry for you if you actually ARE this uneducated.

You are describing yourself again. Don't bother. I already know the Left can't meme.

 

[Saint Guinefort]

You are describing yourself again. Don't bother. I already know the Left can't meme.

These aren't Memes you moron. They're just silly pictures.

Do you know ANYTHING in any technical detail???????

 

[Into the Night]

So you cannot understand graphs showing that cobalt is used in ICEs? They are less per vehicle, but since they are so many more, they are why we have mining of cobalt. We were mining cobalt before EVs were invented. Now it is all Evs and no other uses. You guys are not familiar with honesty.

Cobalt is not used in ICEs.