H.R. 582, “Raise the wage act”

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Supposn

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H.R. 582, “Raise the wage act” is a good bill, but opponents of the bill will refrain from mentioning the minimum hourly rate will not be $15 until 7th year after the bill's passage.

In the likely case that it's not passed through and added to our federal statutes, I urge U.S. Congressional members to continue striving and pass a bill that would increase the minimum wage rate by 12.5% of its purchasing power until it attains 125% of its February-1968 purchasing power. Thereafter the rate should be monitored and annually adjusted to retain that purchasing power.

Respectfully, Supposn
 
Supposn said:
H.R. 582, “Raise the wage act” is a good bill, but opponents of the bill will refrain from mentioning the minimum hourly rate will not be $15 until 7th year after the bill's passage.

In the likely case that it's not passed through and added to our federal statutes, I urge U.S. Congressional members to continue striving and pass a bill that would increase the minimum wage rate by 12.5% of its purchasing power until it attains 125% of its February-1968 purchasing power. Thereafter the rate should be monitored and annually adjusted to retain that purchasing power.

Respectfully, Supposn
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What part of the minimum wage was designed as a starting wage for untrained employees don't you understand?
 
Grumpy said:
What part of the minimum wage was designed as a starting wage for untrained employees don't you understand?
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Grumpy, you don't understand the word "minimum" or is it the concept of the "minimum wage rate" that challenges you? Did you try googling those terms?
Respectfully, Supposn
 
Supposn said:
Grumpy, you don't understand the word "minimum" or is it the concept of the "minimum wage rate" that challenges you? Did you try googling those terms?
Respectfully, Supposn
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Clearly you do not understand that the vast majority of minimum wage earners are below 25 years old. The original minimum wage was in response to sweat shops after the industrial revolution. Today the minimum wage allows small businesses to hire unskilled workers so they can learn a skill, and move up the wage ladder. Very few people stay at the minimum wage so your moronic ideas would only serve to raise the unemployment rates for unskilled workers and force many small businesses to hire less people or go out of business. A perfect example is

"Businesses fail all the time for all kinds of reasons. But when Restaurants Unlimited filed for Chapter 11 bankruptcy protection last week, people noticed. The company owns 35 upscale restaurants located primarily on the West Coast, including seven in Seattle.
In its filing, it declared, “Over the last three years, the company’s profitability has been significantly impacted by progressive wage laws along the Pacific coast…the result was to increase the company’s annual wage expenses by an aggregate of $10.6 million.”

It went on to cite three examples where minimum wages have risen dramatically over the last three years. Portland now requires $12.50 an hour, an increase of 35 percent. San Francisco’s minimum wage has climbed 41 percent to $15.59 per hour. And Seattle, the first city with a $15 minimum wage, now forces large employers to pay at least $16 an hour.
Restaurants Unlimited, which is based in Seattle, did raise menu prices and even added a living wage surcharge to bills. But it still lost money."
https://www.foxnews.com/us/restaurant-chain-blames-high-minimum-wage-for-bankruptcy

So sport there is more to it than just paying more money.
 
Grumpy, you're not considering the economic concept of wage differentials. Due to wage differentials, all USA wages are some extent affected by the federal minimum wage rate; you're not considering the proportion of the lower-wage earning adults over the age of 25 that may or may not have yet risen above the working-poor bracket, but statistically they'll never rise beyond the lower wage-rate bracket.

Are you only considering full-time employees earning precisely the minimum wage rate?

I'm not a statistician but I would suppose for the bottom fifth of USA's full-time employees' portion of USA's population, the federal minimum wage rate's effects upon their employment earnings' range from extremely-critical to critical.
That leads me to suppose for no less, but possibly more than 40% of USA's full-time employees', the federal minimum wage rate's effects upon their earnings ranges from extremely-critical to very-important.

Respectfully, Supposn
 
Supposn said:
Grumpy, you're not considering the economic concept of wage differentials. Due to wage differentials, all USA wages are some extent affected by the federal minimum wage rate; you're not considering the proportion of the lower-wage earning adults over the age of 25 that may or may not have yet risen above the working-poor bracket, but statistically they'll never rise beyond the lower wage-rate bracket.

Are you only considering full-time employees earning precisely the minimum wage rate?

I'm not a statistician but I would suppose for the bottom fifth of USA's full-time employees' portion of USA's population, the federal minimum wage rate's effects upon their employment earnings' range from extremely-critical to critical.
That leads me to suppose for no less, but possibly more than 40% of USA's full-time employees', the federal minimum wage rate's effects upon their earnings ranges from extremely-critical to very-important.

Respectfully, Supposn
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First off you are completely wrong .3% of hourly wage earners over 25 earn minimum wage. You are a utopian who doesn't seem to understand that as peoples job skills grow they move up the wage ladder. Yes some don't but life is not fair and there are winners and losers. No matter how you try you will always havewinners and losers.
 
Supposn said:
H.R. 582, “Raise the wage act” is a good bill, but opponents of the bill will refrain from mentioning the minimum hourly rate will not be $15 until 7th year after the bill's passage.

In the likely case that it's not passed through and added to our federal statutes, I urge U.S. Congressional members to continue striving and pass a bill that would increase the minimum wage rate by 12.5% of its purchasing power until it attains 125% of its February-1968 purchasing power. Thereafter the rate should be monitored and annually adjusted to retain that purchasing power.

Respectfully, Supposn
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A lot of those in Congress do read JPP to get a pulse on America so you've posted in the right place to get their attention.
 
Grumpy said:
First off you are completely wrong .3% of hourly wage earners over 25 earn minimum wage. You are a utopian who doesn't seem to understand that as peoples job skills grow they move up the wage ladder. Yes some don't but life is not fair and there are winners and losers. No matter how you try you will always havewinners and losers.
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Grumpy, if an employee earns $8.40 per hour, they're earning more than the federal minimum esge rate, but their wage rate was to some critical extent affected by the minimum-wage. Their employer would not be paying them $8.40 per hour if there was no legally mandated minimum rate. The $7.25 minimum had a critical effect upon their $8.40 per hour wage rate. A full-time employee working for $8.40 per hour is well within the working-poor wage rate bracket.

Re-read post number #5. You apparently read it quickly.
I did not state that 20% of USA's full-time employees are working for exactly $7.25 per hour.
I did state that 20% of USA's full-time employees are at or near the working-poor level. Their wage rates are within the range of extremely critically to critically affected by the federal minimum wage rate.

Respectfully, Supposn
 
Supposn said:
Grumpy, if an employee earns $8.40 per hour, they're earning more than the federal minimum esge rate, but their wage rate was to some critical extent affected by the minimum-wage. Their employer would not be paying them $8.40 per hour if there was no legally mandated minimum rate. The $7.25 minimum had a critical effect upon their $8.40 per hour wage rate. A full-time employee working for $8.40 per hour is well within the working-poor wage rate bracket.

Re-read post number #5. You apparently read it quickly.
I did not state that 20% of USA's full-time employees are working for exactly $7.25 per hour.
I did state that 20% of USA's full-time employees are at or near the working-poor level. Their wage rates are within the range of extremely critically to critically affected by the federal minimum wage rate.

Respectfully, Supposn
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How can you be so woefully misinformed? In my area of the Fla panhandle not one I repeat not one kid working fast food restarants earns the state minimum wage which is higher than the fed. All earn above. That is just one example.
So believe what you will but in my opinion you are wrong.
 
Celticguy said:
The best thing is to eliminate it.
Second best is to have a separate for school age kids.
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Celticguy, excerpted from https://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/whdfs32.pd
"Fact Sheet #32: Youth Minimum Wage - Fair Labor Standards Act
The 1996 Amendments to the FLSA allow employers to pay a youth minimum wage of not less than $4.25 an hour to employees who are under 20 years of age during the first 90 consecutive calendar days after initial employment. The law contains certain protections for employees that prohibit employers from displacing any employee in order to hire someone at the youth minimum wage. This fact sheet provides general answers to questions that may arise about the youth wage provisions".
 
Supposn said:
Celticguy, excerpted from https://www.dol.gov/whd/regs/compliance/whdfs32.pd
"Fact Sheet #32: Youth Minimum Wage - Fair Labor Standards Act
The 1996 Amendments to the FLSA allow employers to pay a youth minimum wage of not less than $4.25 an hour to employees who are under 20 years of age during the first 90 consecutive calendar days after initial employment. The law contains certain protections for employees that prohibit employers from displacing any employee in order to hire someone at the youth minimum wage. This fact sheet provides general answers to questions that may arise about the youth wage provisions".
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Thats a start. Thx.
 
Grumpy said:
How can you be so woefully misinformed? In my area of the Fla panhandle, not one I repeat not one kid working fast-food restaurants earns the state minimum wage which is higher than the fed. All earn above. That is just one example.
So believe what you will but in my opinion, you are wrong.
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Grumpy, so Florida's minimum is approximately $8.50/Hr. and I suppose the kids are earning $10 -$11/per hour where you are?
Then in your area, $11 per hour puts an employee in the working-poor bracket. Are you contending otherwise? What are you contending? Respectfully, Supposn
 
As usual rightys want their own facts. The min wage was designed to be a living wage . Who is on it? Average age is 35. Not a teen. Over half are beyond 20. 27 percent are parents . Most are women. Most are southerners. https://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/10/upshot/minimum-wage.html
If a business fails when the min wage is increased, it is a lot more than just that. The other businesses are still going. Sounds like Trump saying the economy killed his casinos, but all the others are still in business. Just his went under.
 
Gonzomin said:
As usual rightys want their own facts. The min wage was designed to be a living wage . Who is on it? Average age is 35. Not a teen. Over half are beyond 20. 27 percent are parents . Most are women. Most are southerners. https://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/10/upshot/minimum-wage.html
If a business fails when the min wage is increased, it is a lot more than just that. The other businesses are still going. Sounds like Trump saying the economy killed his casinos, but all the others are still in business. Just his went under.
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Every casino on the Las Vegas strip without exception was in bankruptcy during that period of time.

They ALL went under, jackass.

Recently, Ceaser's Palace, Bally's, The Flamingo, Harrah's, Tropicana, and Hooter's recently emerged from bankruptcy.

Currently in bankruptcy or soon to file are SLS, Lucky Dragon, the Cosmopolitan, the Hard Rock, and the Westin. Quite possibly the Linq, the Rio, and Planet Hollywood could be facing a bankruptcy court soon as well.

The destruction caused by MGM mismanagement is legendary, even among casino owners. Fortunately, Treasure Island has escaped from them in a bankruptcy sale, but the damage has been done. The Pirate Bay show will never appear again.
Currently, MGM owns the Mandalay Bay (the site of the Las Vegas shooter), the MGM Grand, the Delano, the Luxor, Excalibur, New York, the Park, the Aria, the Nomad, the Vdara, the Bellagio (which barely runs its fountains anymore), the Mirage (which barely runs its volcano anymore), and Circus Circus. When MGM Casinos went bankrupt, ALL of these properties were involved.

Despite the revenue running through a major casino in a typical day, there is a TON of expenses, payroll not the least. It's a people business. Behind the glitz and glitter of a single major casino is a team of literally thousands, including dealers, housekeepers, facilities personnel, chefs and cooks, dishwashers, freight handlers, bellhops, drivers, floor managers, security, electronics technicians, slot machine mechanics, cashiers, clerks, chip runners, heavy equipment operators (including money counting machine operators, machinists, forklift operators, etc), waitresses, barmen, legal teams, programmers, salespeople, phone support operators, and on, and on, and on.

And that's not counting the people that don't work in the actual casino but deliver the cards, the dice, the tables, the slot machines, the computer systems, the display systems, the painters, the HVAC repairmen, the FHESP repairmen, the TV repairmen, the cable head installers, the folks that provide the tremendous amount of food consumed in a single day that is prepared by the in-house chefs, the garbage pickup (do you have any idea how much garbage a casino produces in a single day?!?), the water and sewer, and of course the electrical supply.


It is TOUGH making money in casinos, even for the owners!
 
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MASON said:
That was ages ago,now like it or not millions are trying to live on minimum wages.
Times change.
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The problem is not the minimum wage. The problem is that there are too many entry level workers. Instead of whining to the government, they should go out and find a way to make themselves more useful to somebody. Gain a skill, go to school, be willing to do some nasty job others don't want to do, anything.
 
MASON said:
That was ages ago,now like it or not millions are trying to live on minimum wages.
Times change.
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Total liberal BS.

"In 2017, 80.4 million workers age 16 and older in the United States were paid at hourly rates, representing 58.3 percent of all wage and salary workers. Among those paid by the hour, 542,000 workers earned exactly the prevailing federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour. About 1.3 million had wages below the federal minimum. Together, these 1.8 million workers with wages at or below the federal minimum made up 2.3 percent of all hourly paid workers."
https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/minimum-wage/2017/home.htm
 
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