H.R. 582, “Raise the wage act”

Eagle Eye said:
Total liberal BS.

"In 2017, 80.4 million workers age 16 and older in the United States were paid at hourly rates, representing 58.3 percent of all wage and salary workers. Among those paid by the hour, 542,000 workers earned exactly the prevailing federal minimum wage of $7.25 per hour. About 1.3 million had wages below the federal minimum. Together, these 1.8 million workers with wages at or below the federal minimum made up 2.3 percent of all hourly paid workers."
https://www.bls.gov/opub/reports/minimum-wage/2017/home.htm
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That's what I said millions,1.8 to be exact.
 
MASON said:
So 1.8 million don't matter,and the ones just above minimum,who would be making less if there wasn't a minimum wage.
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Trying to spin it any way you can doesn't alter the fact that the vast majority of workers do not stay at minimum wage.
 
Eagle Eye said:
Trying to spin it any way you can doesn't alter the fact that the vast majority of workers do not stay at minimum wage.
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No they don't,but you're missing without a minimum wage.Capitalism would keep wages for the bottom end at slave wages.
But being a Conservative,you only care about the Top,10%.
 
Eagle Eye said:
What part of the minimum wage was designed as a starting wage for untrained employees don't you understand?
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MASON said:
That was ages ago,now like it or not millions are trying to live on minimum wages.
Times change.
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MASON said:
No they don't,but you're missing without a minimum wage.Capitalism would keep wages for the bottom end at slave wages.
But being a Conservative,you only care about the Top,10%.
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Nice try at deflection but as everyone can see that was not your original argument.


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Supposn said:
H.R. 582, “Raise the wage act” is a good bill, but opponents of the bill will refrain from mentioning the minimum hourly rate will not be $15 until 7th year after the bill's passage.

In the likely case that it's not passed through and added to our federal statutes, I urge U.S. Congressional members to continue striving and pass a bill that would increase the minimum wage rate by 12.5% of its purchasing power until it attains 125% of its February-1968 purchasing power. Thereafter the rate should be monitored and annually adjusted to retain that purchasing power.

Respectfully, Supposn
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If it wouldn't be raised to that $15/hour until the 7th year, that's plenty of time for those making under that amount to better themselves and $15/hour not be a concern. If someone can't improve themselves over that period of time to make more, the problem isn't with the minimum wage, whatever it is, but with the low skilled worker wanting something handed to them.
 
MASON said:
No they don't,but you're missing without a minimum wage.Capitalism would keep wages for the bottom end at slave wages.
But being a Conservative,you only care about the Top,10%.
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Capitalism keeps wages at a level equivalent to what the skills provided are worth. An artificially established minimum sets the wage at a level above what many skills are worth or provide in terms of revenue generation.

Being a Liberal, you're only concerned about what you can get the government to give you for nothing.

Those demanding a higher minimum say they want MORE money yet none of them have ever said what they'll do to warrant it.
 
Into the Night said:
The problem is not the minimum wage. The problem is that there are too many entry level workers. Instead of whining to the government, they should go out and find a way to make themselves more useful to somebody. Gain a skill, go to school, be willing to do some nasty job others don't want to do, anything.
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According to the OP, HR 582 would raise the minimum to $15/hour over 7 years. During that 7 year span, if those complaining about an increase would spend 1/4 the time bettering themselves as they do whining about being paid more for nothing, the minimum wage wouldn't be a consideration. They put more effort into whining about what they aren't getting than they do when it comes to providing skills that produce a higher wage. Someone needs to explain to them that if you're doing a job that millions upon million upon million . . . upon millions can do, the wages are going to be far less than doing something that actually requires a high level skill set.
 
MASON said:
That was ages ago,now like it or not millions are trying to live on minimum wages.
Times change.
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The fact that million are trying to do something in a manner it wasn't intended to do is not a reason to change it.

Times do change. At one time, those that didn't like what they were making took it upon themselves to better themselves, improve their skills, and offer more in return for a higher wage. Now, those that don't want to put forth the effort to better themselves think the system should change because they don't want to do any better.
 
CFM said:
The fact that million are trying to do something in a manner it wasn't intended to do is not a reason to change it.

Times do change. At one time, those that didn't like what they were making took it upon themselves to better themselves, improve their skills, and offer more in return for a higher wage. Now, those that don't want to put forth the effort to better themselves think the system should change because they don't want to do any better.
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Mason knows all about minimum wage. That was the only kind of job he could get his entire working life.
 
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