H.R. 582, “Raise the wage act”

[Into the Night]

Oh yes.anyone who makes less than you, it is because of laziness. I suppose those making more than you are entitled to talk about your laziness.

My income is completely irrelevant to my argument, dumbass.

 

[Gonzomin]

My income is completely irrelevant to my argument, dumbass.

As usual, you are wrong and miss the point.

 

[Supposn]

I know of several:... A slot machine mechanic learning about his chosen field in electronics or computer programming in a trade school or college. ...
... An airport fuel lineman or even a baggage handler while they learn about being a pilot or aircraft mechanic.
An apprentice learning to wire or plumb a building (on the job training).
A man selling hot dogs from a cart while he learns how to sell things to people, perhaps eventually become a successful marketer of products, making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year or more.

Into the Night, regrettably, I have reason to doubt the validity of some portions of your post:
I’m unaware of any USA minimum wage rate slot machine mechanics.

I suppose it’s conceivable there's a minimum wage apprentice job that would actually provide meaningful on the job training to be a technical craftsman; but not within any USA area I’ve ever lived in.

I doubt if there are a great many minimum wage rate airport fuel linemen or baggage handlers receiving on the job training to be pilots or aircraft mechanics. I doubt if other than a world of fairy tales, it actually happens to any extent.

A man selling hot dogs from a cart while he learns how to sell things to people, perhaps eventually become a successful marketer of products, making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year or more?
He can begin his entrepreneurial career as soon as he accumulates the capital to purchase or build and store and tow his own cart rather than leasing it from the owner?

Respectfully, Supposn

 

[Into the Night]

As usual, you are wrong and miss the point.

You are not making one.

 

[Into the Night]

Into the Night, regrettably, I have reason to doubt the validity of some portions of your post:
I’m unaware of any USA minimum wage rate slot machine mechanics.

Too bad. They exist. Mostly in indian casinos. Argument of ignorance fallacy.

I suppose it’s conceivable there's a minimum wage apprentice job that would actually provide meaningful on the job training to be a technical craftsman; but not within any USA area I’ve ever lived in.

Too bad. They exist. Argument of ignorance fallacy.

I doubt if there are a great many minimum wage rate airport fuel linemen or baggage handlers receiving on the job training to be pilots or aircraft mechanics.

I have trained quite a few of them myself. Argument of ignorance fallacy. I am currently training one lineman that seems to have a real talent as a mechanic. He'll do an excellent job when he gets is license. Another is currently being trained as a pilot. He's a bit slow on the theory, but he has a natural skill on the stick. I'm helping him out with the theory.

I doubt if other than a world of fairy tales, it actually happens to any extent.

Argument from incredulity fallacy.

A man selling hot dogs from a cart while he learns how to sell things to people, perhaps eventually become a successful marketer of products, making hundreds of thousands of dollars a year or more?

Sure. It has already happened from time to time.

He can begin his entrepreneurial career as soon as he accumulates the capital to purchase or build and store and tow his own cart rather than leasing it from the owner?

Sometimes. One such started out in Las Vegas selling lobsters out of leased cart. He owns the carts now and has ten locations around town to boot! He's doing well! Sometimes it's someone that recognizes the guy is smart and hires him off the street to work in a brokerage. Sometimes he forms his OWN brokerage. Jerry Herbst owned a single gas station which he acquired after starting there pumping gas. He used his profits to buy more and more of them, and now has gas stations throughout Nevada and Arizona. He owns a couple of casinos and a chain of car washes now as well.

It really is all about simply applying yourself. An education is not needed. You can get it by self study and applying yourself.

Whining about minimum wage laws is just whining. You will never get anywhere with just whining.

 

[Gonzomin]

You are not making one.

I would explain it to you. It is obvious. But you don't show the ability to understand much.

 

[Into the Night]

I would explain it to you. It is obvious. But you don't show the ability to understand much.

Explain what? Void argument fallacy.

 

[Gonzomin]

We used to have apprenticeships in America. Few survive. They were run by companies working with unions. They guaranteed decent starting wages and provided steady increases as you went through the program. When you finished, you were qualified in your profession.

 

[Supposn]

We used to have apprenticeships in America. Few survive. They were run by companies working with unions. They guaranteed decent starting wages and provided steady increases as you went through the program. When you finished, you were qualified in your profession.

Gonzomin, improvements of nations' educational and training systems are to no lesser extent reflected by their economic and social well-being. Many nations are doing it in manners superior to our own. Respectfully, Supposn

 

[gfm7175]

H.R. 582, “Raise the wage act” is a good bill, but opponents of the bill will refrain from mentioning the minimum hourly rate will not be $15 until 7th year after the bill's passage.

In the likely case that it's not passed through and added to our federal statutes, I urge U.S. Congressional members to continue striving and pass a bill that would increase the minimum wage rate by 12.5% of its purchasing power until it attains 125% of its February-1968 purchasing power. Thereafter the rate should be monitored and annually adjusted to retain that purchasing power.

Respectfully, Supposn

Minimum Wage laws are price controls. Price controls ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS lead to shortages. They never work.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Supposn,

H.R. 582, “Raise the wage act” is a good bill, but opponents of the bill will refrain from mentioning the minimum hourly rate will not be $15 until 7th year after the bill's passage.

In the likely case that it's not passed through and added to our federal statutes, I urge U.S. Congressional members to continue striving and pass a bill that would increase the minimum wage rate by 12.5% of its purchasing power until it attains 125% of its February-1968 purchasing power. Thereafter the rate should be monitored and annually adjusted to retain that purchasing power.

Respectfully, Supposn

That sounds ideal.

 

[PoliTalker]

Good morning gfm7175,

Minimum Wage laws are price controls. Price controls ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS lead to shortages. They never work.

Capitalism without regulation never works.

 

[gfm7175]

Good morning gfm7175,

Capitalism without regulation never works.

Adding regulation to capitalism makes it into something other than capitalism.

Capitalism is precisely why we enjoy all the luxuries that we enjoy today. We wouldn't have any of them without capitalism.

Capitalism works.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello gfm7175,

Adding regulation to capitalism makes it into something other than capitalism.

Capitalism is precisely why we enjoy all the luxuries that we enjoy today. We wouldn't have any of them without capitalism.

Capitalism works.

Capitalism is like a great engine of ingenuity.

But like any engine it needs to be controlled.

If you let it loose to run wide open it will blow up.

 

[Supposn]

Minimum Wage laws are price controls. Price controls ALWAYS ALWAYS ALWAYS lead to shortages. They never work.

GFM7175, the minimum wage rate does not control wage prices, but due to wage differentials it does effect all other wages. It's effects upon 40% of the nation's lowest wage rate earners range from critical to substantial.

You're contending due to the minimum wage rate we'll consequentially cause a shortage of the least skilled, least desirable employees and job applicants,
or employers will choose to clean and mop their own toilets,
or it will increase automation in the USA?

Respectfully, Supposn

Robo, in response to the following ... I’m pleased that Wendy’s is attempting to increase their automation. Automation has always been a net benefit to USA’s economy. Nation’s where human effort has less value, (i.e. where the purchasing power of the median wage is less), are the poorest of nations. The purchasing power of the federal minimum wage, (FMW) rate is of some support for ALL other USA wage and salary rates which are indicated by the median wage rate’s purchasing power. ...

 

[PoliTalker]

" Capitalism is like a great engine of ingenuity.

But like any engine it needs to be controlled.

If you let it loose to run wide open it will blow up. "

Every engine needs a governor.

The engine of capitalism requires the government to control it.

 

[PoliTalker]

Hello Supposn,

GFM7175, the minimum wage rate does not control wage prices, but due to wage differentials it does effect all other wages. It's effects upon 40% of the nation's lowest wage rate earners range from critical to substantial.

You're contending due to the minimum wage rate we'll consequentially cause a shortage of the least skilled, least desirable employees and job applicants, ...

Yeah, it is a capitalist's wildest dream to have a wide choice of skilled and experienced workers willing to work for 2 dollars an hour with no benefits.

Greedy business owners love to exploit desperate people with limited options.