You keep your self-respect at the expense of making the world a worse place.
"Hate Begets Hate" and Civil Politics
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You keep your self-respect at the expense of making the world a worse place.
Nothing has changed due to his effort but nothing has changed because of the insults, trash talk, and hate spewing out of the other posters, either. Worse, we have to listen to their trash if we want to engage in civil political debate.
Mason Michaels
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Oval Office
you don't know your poo!
Obstructionism is the closest MS Republicans got to special prosecutors, pussy hats and screaming at the sky
you don't know your poo!
Obstructionism is the closest MS Republicans got to special prosecutors, pussy hats and screaming at the sky
The right wing propaganda machine produced a constant stream of lies and conspiracy theories about Obama himself and his administration, many of which were unquestioningly accepted by the gullible fools who make up much of the right. Just a small sampling: Obama was a Muslim, he kept a prayer rug on Air Force 1, FEMA death camps.
Irish Exit
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Logic and empathy are not the democrats strong suit, but keep going all in with a pair of two's. Eventually you might win one.
Eagle_Eye
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See how ignorant liberals are, just because we agree with many of Trumps presidential policies does not equate to support. Run a decent candidate and we'll vote for them. That is if you can find one.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello rjhenn,
What I see is they are fiercely independent. That's what America means to them. Some of them resent even having a government in the first place, so they certainly don't want government to be any bigger than the absolute bare minimum. Anything more and they feel like that is a compromise. Some of them see no use in diplomacy, feel that all we need is walls and a strong military and we can take care of ourselves. They are willing to pay for walls and military and that's it. They resent being taxed at all, and if they have to pay any taxes they only want it to be for those two things.
They see anyone who wants any more government than that as anti-American, and they resent being forced to live in the world in which we live. They blame others who have made the world so complicated; and they are ready to unload on anybody who doesn't agree with them. They hate that the rest of the nation doesn't agree with them and that they are not the majority. Often they don't even want to admit those things, inflating the size of their rallies and inaugurations, refusing to believe the polls, etc. Deep down inside they have to wonder if they are wrong by calling the main stream news fake, so they hate themselves for that weakness, too. There's a lot of hatred there clouding good reasoning; and they have to let all that stress out somehow. That means lashing out at strangers over the internet. It's safe and has no immediate personal repercussions for them such as injuries, arrests, or loss of employment.
They don't see that the psychological repercussions affect they way they think about the world, and how happy they are to live their lives.
Don't forget. Most people are actually not all that happy with their lives. Resentment, anger and hatred are a heavy burden to bear.
They have issues, but I don't see that as purposely anti-American. It may certainly be thought of as effectually anti-American. In that light, I would agree. I may be liberal and disagree with their politics, but I am also strongly for open dialog. I am always willing to listen to reasons why my viewpoint may be in error, things I may not have considered, willing to entertain doubt. I think we all need to be open to civil discussion of the issues.
But these people don't want to talk about the issues. They have an agenda they want to unload, and if you disagree then they shift gears into trash-mouthing you instead of supporting their contentions. And at that point nothing positive is being accomplished, so there is no point in continuing that dead-end effort.
What I see is they are fiercely independent. That's what America means to them. Some of them resent even having a government in the first place, so they certainly don't want government to be any bigger than the absolute bare minimum. Anything more and they feel like that is a compromise. Some of them see no use in diplomacy, feel that all we need is walls and a strong military and we can take care of ourselves. They are willing to pay for walls and military and that's it. They resent being taxed at all, and if they have to pay any taxes they only want it to be for those two things.
They see anyone who wants any more government than that as anti-American, and they resent being forced to live in the world in which we live. They blame others who have made the world so complicated; and they are ready to unload on anybody who doesn't agree with them. They hate that the rest of the nation doesn't agree with them and that they are not the majority. Often they don't even want to admit those things, inflating the size of their rallies and inaugurations, refusing to believe the polls, etc. Deep down inside they have to wonder if they are wrong by calling the main stream news fake, so they hate themselves for that weakness, too. There's a lot of hatred there clouding good reasoning; and they have to let all that stress out somehow. That means lashing out at strangers over the internet. It's safe and has no immediate personal repercussions for them such as injuries, arrests, or loss of employment.
They don't see that the psychological repercussions affect they way they think about the world, and how happy they are to live their lives.
Don't forget. Most people are actually not all that happy with their lives. Resentment, anger and hatred are a heavy burden to bear.
They have issues, but I don't see that as purposely anti-American. It may certainly be thought of as effectually anti-American. In that light, I would agree. I may be liberal and disagree with their politics, but I am also strongly for open dialog. I am always willing to listen to reasons why my viewpoint may be in error, things I may not have considered, willing to entertain doubt. I think we all need to be open to civil discussion of the issues.
But these people don't want to talk about the issues. They have an agenda they want to unload, and if you disagree then they shift gears into trash-mouthing you instead of supporting their contentions. And at that point nothing positive is being accomplished, so there is no point in continuing that dead-end effort.
Yo, Asshole.
ANYONE WHO IS NOT ACTIVELY OPPOSING DONALD TRUMP...is a traitor to America and to humanity.
Stop with the fucking "...just because we agree with many of Trumps presidential policies does not equate to support"...because in addition to being a traitor to America and to humanity...that makes you a coward for pretending you are not supporting that piece of dung currently occupying the Oval Office.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Controlled Opposition,
The charge of being sanctimonious is an easy one to make from the viewpoint that anti-social behavior is somehow acceptable. If that view is also coupled with the view that 'everyone does it' as justification, then when an individual is encountered who does not 'do it,' that is a nuisance to the belief that 'everyone does it.' It is only understandable that an effort would be made to dispense with that which causes self-doubt.
The charge of being sanctimonious is an easy one to make from the viewpoint that anti-social behavior is somehow acceptable. If that view is also coupled with the view that 'everyone does it' as justification, then when an individual is encountered who does not 'do it,' that is a nuisance to the belief that 'everyone does it.' It is only understandable that an effort would be made to dispense with that which causes self-doubt.
PoliTalker
Diversity Makes Greatness
Hello Nifty,
That's true and false. Both sides want America to be her best. But there is disagreement on what that is.
I think that is an exaggeration. Some people think of it that way, but that doesn't make it such. Americans of all political stripes have it good, despite which side is in power. That's part of the problem. We have it so good, that most are not sufficiently motivated to even vote. Believe me. If most people thought their lives were hell, and somebody offered them a pathway to correct that situation, they would be highly motivated to vote. Instead, Americans are placated. They work their jobs, collect their pay, spend it as they wish, go home to their cushy homes, eat plentiful food and beverages of their choosing, and watch cheap entertainment on TV. Their lives are full enough for them. Once in a while they go out and watch some fireworks and pretend to be patriotic, but mostly they are oblivious to the structure of their own government, can't even name their own representative, and in many sad cases, can't even name the three branches of government.
The people who post in this Forum are more of the rare somewhat politically informed crowd who actually is motivated to vote. Including a lot of anti-social types who post here because if they rant and rave like that in real life it quickly turns people off. This Forum is not representative of the nation.
And while others see those traits as negative, they either do not, or deny that's what they are. In many cases, they believe they are backed up by God.
Since that is a nebulous term, the statement is purely opinion.
Hatred is not a good motivation for anything. Hatred is irrational and immature.
If it is bad that the other side is motivated by hatred, why is it good that you are?
News flash. They are indeed humans.
It does nothing of the sort.
You realize you are essentially arguing with Martin Luther King.
The stance I have taken is his.
Do you believe Dr. Martin Luther King Jr was wrong in some way?
Should he have exaggerated how bad his opponents were? Should have have used foul language and perhaps violence?
That's true and false. Both sides want America to be her best. But there is disagreement on what that is.
I think that is an exaggeration. Some people think of it that way, but that doesn't make it such. Americans of all political stripes have it good, despite which side is in power. That's part of the problem. We have it so good, that most are not sufficiently motivated to even vote. Believe me. If most people thought their lives were hell, and somebody offered them a pathway to correct that situation, they would be highly motivated to vote. Instead, Americans are placated. They work their jobs, collect their pay, spend it as they wish, go home to their cushy homes, eat plentiful food and beverages of their choosing, and watch cheap entertainment on TV. Their lives are full enough for them. Once in a while they go out and watch some fireworks and pretend to be patriotic, but mostly they are oblivious to the structure of their own government, can't even name their own representative, and in many sad cases, can't even name the three branches of government.
The people who post in this Forum are more of the rare somewhat politically informed crowd who actually is motivated to vote. Including a lot of anti-social types who post here because if they rant and rave like that in real life it quickly turns people off. This Forum is not representative of the nation.
And while others see those traits as negative, they either do not, or deny that's what they are. In many cases, they believe they are backed up by God.
Since that is a nebulous term, the statement is purely opinion.
Hatred is not a good motivation for anything. Hatred is irrational and immature.
If it is bad that the other side is motivated by hatred, why is it good that you are?
News flash. They are indeed humans.
It does nothing of the sort.
You realize you are essentially arguing with Martin Luther King.
The stance I have taken is his.
Do you believe Dr. Martin Luther King Jr was wrong in some way?
Should he have exaggerated how bad his opponents were? Should have have used foul language and perhaps violence?
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Boris The Animal
It's Just Boris!
Here's the problem. Liberals have done nothing but stab Americans in the collective backs over the years. they love spending, spending, spending. On what? Worthless welfare programs that do nothing for the average person long term.
jimmymccready
Verified User
Which party was in charge, Boris, on the latest tax bill and the latest budget, ol' buddy?
Boris The Animal
It's Just Boris!
You mean me keeping more of my hard earned?
evince
Truthmatters
the FACTS don't comport with your claims
debts have gone up more under Republican/ Russian Party control than under Democratic party control
the internets makes it hard to keep those old republican lies alive
evince
Truthmatters
No they don't
in trying to be civil you are lying to yourself
the Republican party is being controlled by a Russian dictator who seeks to destroy America
Liars need to be publically shamed
do it or we die
Boris The Animal
It's Just Boris!
So the Dumbshitocrat backstabbings of 1982 and 1988, their repeated desire to waste MY money on worthless welfare programs mean nothing to you, communist CUNT?!?
Controlled Opposition
Note my apathy
PoliTalker, I did not say that everyone does it, and I certainly didn't use that as an excuse. What I did do was agree with Nifty about your, "Pollyanna talk."
Name one person whose behavior you have changed by preaching at us/them.
Take someone from your side of the political spectrum and change his or her behvior. I would like to suggest that you start with Mason and then follow up with Owl Woman.
You should also have noted that I encouraged you to continue wasting time on your mission.
Politalker agrees with them that's why he started this thread.
He tries to act like he's neutral......he thinks we're too stupid to see right through him.
No one wants to be nice to racist or civil.