History is for suckers.

[reletor]

History is just like physics and chemistry. It is an ongoing search for something as closely approximating the truth as we can get.

Western civilization owes a major debt to Herodotus and Thucydides for teaching us the art and science of historical analysis.

History is largely just opinions. Physics and chemistry aren't based on opinions. They are the results of testable science.

 

[Hawkeye10]

The higher the grade, the more articulate the bullshit.

These days some of the dumbest people around have degrees from an Ivy.

 

[reletor]

You are approaching the stupidest poster alive range


Your “ideas” are idiotic

You suck.

 

[Cypress]

History is largely just opinions. Physics and chemistry aren't based on opinions. They are the results of testable science.

Incorrect.

Historical scholarship is based on analysis, written documentation, archeological data, corroboration, and a weight of evidence approach.

Historians establish hypotheses like physicists do, and disagree on the interpretation of data just like astronomers do. In both disciplines, knowledge and interpretations evolve as more information and new approaches become available.

 

[Matt Dillon]

The higher the grade, the more articulate the bullshit.

Versus your inarticulate bullshit.

Incorrect.

Historical scholarship is based on analysis, written documentation, archeological data, corroboration, and a weight of evidence approach.

Historians establish hypotheses like physicists do, and disagree on the interpretation of data just like astronomers do. In both disciplines, knowledge and interpretations evolve as more information and new approaches become available.

Gee, and it used to be just the facts about what happened, but I guess that's too much honesty for leftist shitbags to muster. It's a good thing they

haven't been around for very long as far as the timeline of history is concerned.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Gee, and it used to be the facts about what happened, but I guess that's too much honesty for leftist shitbags to muster.

And why what happened happened, and what can be learned from what happened.

Back when we still had functioning historians.

But the West is deep into dying.

 

[Matt Dillon]

And why what happened happened, and what can be learned from what happened.

Back when we still had functioning historians.

But the West is deep into dying.

You get it!

 

[Hawkeye10]

You get it!

This is the first I am hearing of you seeing that the West is dying.

 

[Cypress]

Gee, and it used to be just the facts about what happened, but I guess that's too much honesty for leftist shitbags to muster. It's a good thing they

haven't been around for very long as far as the timeline of history is concerned.

Knowledge isn't just lying around on the ground waiting for us to pick up.

Almost all human knowledge is based on analysis and interpretation. That is true for physics, for biology, for history, for archeology.

Physics generally uses partical accelerators and integral calculus.

Historical analysis uses analysis of written sources, archeology, and corroboration.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Knowledge isn't just lying around on the ground waiting for us to pick up.

Almost all human knowledge is based on analysis and interpretation. That is true for physics, for biology, for history, for archeology.

Physics generally uses partical accelerators and integral calculus.

Historical analysis uses analysis of written sources, archeology, and corroboration.

So the West has believed, but then again the West is deep into dying because of too many mistakes being made.

 

[Matt Dillon]

Knowledge isn't just lying around on the ground waiting for us to pick up.

Almost all human knowledge is based on analysis and interpretation. That is true for physics, for biology, for history, for archeology.

Physics generally uses partical accelerators and integral calculus.

Historical analysis uses analysis of written sources, archeology, and corroboration.

That's the premise mfers like you use to alter facts, whereas I say things are what they are.

 

[Cypress]

That's the premise mfers like you use to alter facts, whereas I say things are what they are.

There are no written documents from the historical past that just "tell it like it is".

Ancient authors frequently had an agenda when they wrote. It would be stupid to accept historical written documentation at face value and not be skeptical. That's why we need trained historical scholars to analyze multiple written sources, corroborate the written evidence, supplement it with archeological data or linguistic analysis, and come to a reasonable conclusion about what really happened.

It is the same basic process used in astronomical or physics investigations though the tools of analysis and degree of quantification are different.

 

[Matt Dillon]

There are no written documents from the historical past that just "tell it like it is".

Ancient authors frequently had an agenda when they wrote. It would be stupid to accept historical written documentation at face value and not be skeptical. That's why we need trained historical scholars to analyze multiple written sources, corroborate the written evidence, supplement it with archeological data or linguistic analysis, and come to a reasonable conclusion about what really happened.

It is the same basic process used in astronomical or physics investigations though the tools of analysis and degree of quantification are different.

Yeah, no. The truth and facts are not subjective. Perhaps to a small extent, but definitely not to the extent that you allege. You just want the truth and

facts to be more malleable so you and your ilk can subvert them.

 

[Hawkeye10]

Yeah, no. The truth and facts are not subjective. Perhaps to a small extent, but definitely not to the extent that you allege. You just want the truth and

facts to be more malleable so you and your ilk can subvert them.

Its worse than this.....this is more of a mental illness.....they actually believe that if they believe hard enough that they can make reality whatever they want it to be if there is enough solidarity.

 

[Matt Dillon]

Its worse than this.....this is more of a mental illness.....they actually believe that if they believe hard enough that they can make reality whatever they want it to be if there is enough solidarity.

Wow, that is much worse if that is the case. I'm sticking with reality.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

There is a LOT more to history than dates and places.

Amazing! You got one right! Kudos, dude!

Seriously, I agree.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

There are no written documents from the historical past that just "tell it like it is".

Ancient authors frequently had an agenda when they wrote. It would be stupid to accept historical written documentation at face value and not be skeptical. That's why we need trained historical scholars to analyze multiple written sources, corroborate the written evidence, supplement it with archeological data or linguistic analysis, and come to a reasonable conclusion about what really happened.

It is the same basic process used in astronomical or physics investigations though the tools of analysis and degree of quantification are different.

Uneducated dumbasses don't understand the conceptual differences between anecdotal evidence and corroborated evidence from multiple sources.

To be perfectly honest, most of them don't want to learn the difference and a good portion of them are too fucking stupid to learn.

 

[Cypress]

Uneducated dumbasses don't understand the conceptual differences between anecdotal evidence and corroborated evidence from multiple sources.

To be perfectly honest, most of them don't want to learn the difference and a good portion of them are too fucking stupid to learn.

A lot of MAGA never went to college, do not understand the nature of research scholarship, and the only thing they actually know about universities is what Tucker Carlson and Gateway Pundit have ordered them to believe.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

A lot of MAGA never went to college, do not understand the nature of research scholarship, and the only thing they actually know about universities is what Tucker Carlson and Gateway Pundit have ordered them to believe.

Unfortunately true.

Even though JPP isn't a pure slice of Americana, JPP MAGAts all do fit the demographic you outlined. The demographics of the Insurrectionists on 1/6 also back up the "poorly educated" problem....along with both mental and financial problems.

Mental Illness Insurrection
https://www.marketwatch.com/story/q...ntal-health-not-radical-extremism-11616703136

I found that many QAnon followers revealed – in their own words on social media or in interviews – a wide range of mental health diagnoses, including bipolar disorder, depression, anxiety and addiction.

In court records of people arrested in the wake of the Capitol insurrection, 68% reported they had received mental health diagnoses. The conditions they revealed included post-traumatic stress disorder, bipolar disorder, paranoid schizophrenia and Munchausen syndrome by proxy – a psychological disorder that causes one to invent or inflict health problems on a loved one, usually a child, in order to gain attention for themselves. By contrast, 19% of all Americans have a mental health diagnosis.

Q anon arrested insurrection capitol riot mental illness
https://www.start.umd.edu/pubs/START_PIRUS_QAnon_Feb2021.pdf

Mental Health Concerns
More than two-thirds of the 31 QAnon offenders
68%
who committed crimes before and after the
Capitol insurrection have documented mental
health concerns, according to court records and
other public sources. These conditions include
post-traumatic stress disorder, paranoid
schizophrenia, bipolar disorder, and
Munchausen syndrome by proxy. The three
QAnon supporters who committed homicides
have documented mental health concerns. Two
of them were found to be mentally unfit to stand
trial and were transferred to mental health care
facilities. All six of the female offenders who
committed crimes before and after the Capitol
riots have documented mental health concerns

A majority of the people arrested for Capitol riot had a history of financial trouble
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...surrectionists-jenna-ryan-financial-problems/

Nearly 60 percent of the people facing charges related to the Capitol riot showed signs of prior money troubles, including bankruptcies, notices of eviction or foreclosure, bad debts, or unpaid taxes over the past two decades, according to a Washington Post analysis of public records for 125 defendants with sufficient information to detail their financial histories.

 

[Matt Dillon]

That is not what he said.
The OP states 'history is for suckers'.
That suggests ALL history is for suckers.


And to what end is this thread?
That some history might not be accurate?
Every adult knew that when they woke up this morning.

But what is this OP in aid of - specifically?

If you really wanna know, he wants to get around to making a case that Nazis were good, he just hasn't gotten around to that yet.



Serious as a heart attack! I ain't bullshittin'!