Homosexuality is not a sin

Celticguy said:
"Render unto Caesar the things that are Caesar's, and unto God the things that are God's"

Murder remains a sin regardless of what Caesar thinks
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Murder: the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought
to kill (a human being) unlawfully and with premeditated malice

Person: HUMAN, INDIVIDUAL —sometimes used in combination especially by those who prefer to avoid man in compounds applicable to both sexes

Please explain your logic that a zygote is a person, human being or individual.

While a zygote is certainly a human cell, to call it "a human" or a human being or an individual doesn't make sense to me. Please explain your logic.
 
Celticguy said:
mu money is on Team God
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Sure, you're obviously supporting Team God, but what are the odds Team God will beat Team Satan? A 100% certainty because "there's no fucking contest" as I believe or do you think Team Satan has a shot at the championship?

Side question on a related note: Do you believe Judas got a bad rap? Please state your logic.


I'm curious because my God is perfect and yours seems a little fucked up. :)
 
Damocles said:
I am not claiming that. Though it would say that "turn the other cheek" would be the answer from their god if it was Christians being persecuted by the Nazis.
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But I thought you said Jesus said to follow the laws of your nation?
 
Damocles said:
I am saying that if they say that building a church is illegal, then you would not build a church as a Christian who follows what their god told them to do.

I am saying that if it is allowed in the law you could do it. There is nothing in the scripture that said you "must" do that, that is just something you added because you really want it to be awful. It is also interesting to note that you did not talk about other questions I asked... For instance, when I asked you, "Can you find even one verse in the scripture that this was actually done?"... Why won't you answer? Because you don't like the answer.

Pretending I "mock" Christianity by simply answering your question clearly and concisely is just fallacy.
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And if worshiping Jesus were illegal, what should the Christian do?
 
Jarod said:
The scripture I quoted says you "SHOULD" do it.

You know that but pretend it says you "could" do it.

Ill give you the part of making a mockery of Christianity, it mocks itself.

My entire point is proven, there are parts they ignore and others they do not.
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And the part you say they are "ignoring" would not be acceptable today because it is against the law. "It mocks itself"... maybe, but not with the verses you have brought to us today.
 
Jarod said:
But I thought you said Jesus said to follow the laws of your nation?
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The laws, not the orders.

First of all, there was no law that allowed the citizen to kill Jews in Nazi Germany, nor one that told them they must... and the example is therefore an absurdity. There were orders that could be rejected by the brave (likely to lose your life if you do not follow the order). Following the law would mean you would not kill the Jew, it was still murder according to the laws of Germany. It would still be a sin to follow the implied order to kill "these Jews in this camp"... and it is also illegal according to the laws of the land. We call them "War Crimes" and we prosecuted folks even if they weren't Christians for breaking those laws.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Murder: the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought
to kill (a human being) unlawfully and with premeditated malice

Person: HUMAN, INDIVIDUAL —sometimes used in combination especially by those who prefer to avoid man in compounds applicable to both sexes

Please explain your logic that a zygote is a person, human being or individual.

While a zygote is certainly a human cell, to call it "a human" or a human being or an individual doesn't make sense to me. Please explain your logic.
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“I knew you before I formed you in your mother’s womb.
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Murder under the law is taking of innocent life. Babies not innocent for you ?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Sure, you're obviously supporting Team God, but what are the odds Team God will beat Team Satan? A 100% certainty because "there's no fucking contest" as I believe or do you think Team Satan has a shot at the championship?

Side question on a related note: Do you believe Judas got a bad rap? Please state your logic.
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well I'm not omniscient so I cannot assess odds nor am I interested in trying.
my faith is in God.

re Judas... I suppose somebody was going to have to rat out the savior and I guess that is the nature of your query. But he did give into temptation and then killed himself due to guilt. That 2nd one is unforgivable by definition. Thats on him.
 
Celticguy said:
well I'm not omniscient so I cannot assess odds nor am I interested in trying.
my faith is in God...
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Beliefs don't take omniences. It's a matter of differences in beliefs. You seem to believe in a flawed, almost human god who will eventually battle his own creation in a climatic battle between Good and Evil.

I believe God is all powerful, all knowing and all merciful. Perfection. Anything less than Perfection can't be God. Ergo, IMHO, you seem to be worshiping a false god. ;)

Just my belief regarding the same Bible you and I both appear to have grown up learning about.
 
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Celticguy said:
..re Judas... I suppose somebody was going to have to rat out the savior and I guess that is the nature of your query. But he did give into temptation and then killed himself due to guilt. That 2nd one is unforgivable by definition. Thats on him.
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If Judas knew the plan then wouldn't it be his duty to "rat out" the Savior? He was the right hand of Jesus so, besides Mary Magdalene, Judas would know the plan. Regardless, anyone who helps move the plan forward is a friend, not an enemy IMO.

Your statement "somebody was going to have to" implies you understand that Jesus was on a mission from God and, therefore, God is responsible for the execution of Jesus, not the Jews, the Romans or any human being. Do I understand you correctly, CG?
 
...besides, it requires morals to actually care. Why are we letting right-wingers waste our time with their social bigotry on a national basis over bearing true-witness to our own Constitution?

Job 34:30 That the hypocrite reign not, lest the people be ensnared.
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Political Christians are practically obsessed w/ homosexuality, and we hear that in the "God, Guns & Gays" priority list of conservatives all of the time.

Yet Trump can be an adulterer & chronic liar, and not a peep.

The persecution and discrimination around LGTBQ is about hate. It's not about religion.
 
Damocles said:
And the part you say they are "ignoring" would not be acceptable today because it is against the law. "It mocks itself"... maybe, but not with the verses you have brought to us today.
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My question was, would having your son stoned to death for being rebellious be a sin if we made it legal?

The Bible says you should do it!
 
Damocles said:
The laws, not the orders.

First of all, there was no law that allowed the citizen to kill Jews in Nazi Germany, nor one that told them they must... and the example is therefore an absurdity. There were orders that could be rejected by the brave (likely to lose your life if you do not follow the order). Following the law would mean you would not kill the Jew, it was still murder according to the laws of Germany. It would still be a sin to follow the implied order to kill "these Jews in this camp"... and it is also illegal according to the laws of the land. We call them "War Crimes" and we prosecuted folks even if they weren't Christians for breaking those laws.
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Ok then we’re those who hid Jews from the government breaking Jesus’s orders, as the law did require them to turn in Jews who were hiding…
 
Jarod said:
Ok then we’re those who hid Jews from the government breaking Jesus’s orders, as the law did require them to turn in Jews who were hiding…
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Again, there is a difference between orders and laws. While the line may be difficult for folks to follow, the sin would be in causing the capture/imprisonment/death/murder of another. Just as in not following the orders if you are in the military would be endangering yourself there is a distinction. The "decrees" making you subject to the death penalty for aiding Jews who left their designated living areas were not laws, they were orders.
 
Jarod said:
My question was, would having your son stoned to death for being rebellious be a sin if we made it legal?

The Bible says you should do it!
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jesus intervened to stop people from being stoned.

Jesus was a philosopher against barbaric religionism.

This is a feature not a bug.
 
BartenderElite said:
And it's not "abnormal." People are born homosexuals, just as they are born heterosexuals. I'd actually argue that treating gay people any differently from heterosexuals is an affront to God's creative intent.

The conservative attitude (generally speaking) toward homosexuality is a disgrace. They hide behind the religion and "hate the sin, but not the sinner" platitudes, but so much of their attitude and their actions has a foundation more firmly rooted in hate than love or spirituality. It's typical fear. Something is "different." Something is "not like me."

We need more understanding & tolerance in the world. Much more. If something has no effect on your life - what's it to ya?
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No, there is no 'homosexuality' gene. You also have a brain. Use it. You have freedom of choice. Use it. You do not have freedom from the consequences of that choice.

Homosexual behavior produces no children, is dangerous to your health, and accomplishes nothing but selfish pleasure. No one is forced into homosexual behavior by their genes. You simply choose to do this. The responsibility of the consequences are yours to bear.

I do not hate the homosexual. I hate the practice of it.
 
Jarod said:
The book was describing what SHOULD be done. Yes a process proscribed by the Bible. it was not describing the law in all the world at the time. Why should it not be the process today? In a perfect Christian world, would it be the process? You know your “argument” is disingenuous.

Many Modern Conservative Christians chose to discriminate against gay people, using the Bible as justification, while ignoring the parts that are not convenient to them.
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Homosexuals discriminate themselves from society. Lately, they've tried to impose their behavior as 'mainstream' with an 'in your face' attitude...then they whine when it's rejected.
Christ also knew of the cost of homosexual behavior and taught against it.

It produces no children. It produces no lasting family. It is pure selfishness. It IS abnormal behavior. It is also behavior by choice. To blame it on a gene is to say you have no mind and discarding your ability to choose your path in life.
 
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