Hospitals Across U.S. Stop Transitioning Children After Trump Signs Order Protecting Kids

[Damocles]

If there was a case against circumcision, this would be it.

It would be against more than circumcision. It is the case study constantly cited when folks say "gender is a social construct" and it literally proved the opposite.

Though I would agree that circumcision is a strange thing, and I had one back before I could remember...

 

[AProudLefty]

It would be against more than circumcision. It is the case study constantly cited when folks say "gender is a social construct" and it literally proved the opposite.

Though I would agree that circumcision is a strange thing, and I had one back before I could remember...

Still doesn't disprove that transgender children exist.

 

[Damocles]

Still doesn't disprove that transgender children exist.

It simply doesn't support the "social construct" statements. Gender is more than a social construct and we shouldn't dismiss such things. When the study most often cited on the subject had such an ending it should really be paid attention to.

Whether they exist or not is not the question I work on.

If you want to let your boy dress as a girl and act as one that is up to you. I just don't want them to be surgically altered until they are old enough to make life altering decisions.

I apply this to nearly everything. Laws that say children can get married with the "approval" of a parent disgust me equally to a law that allows a parent to "approve" such a surgery.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Here's a link to the story of "David" who was formerly "Brenda"... without the additional data I provided about the sicko who called himself a "doctor" and used this as a "test case" for transgenderism. They still cite him in books on the subject as "it was a success"... It wasn't.

Health Check: The boy who was raised a girl

The incredible story of the boy who was raised as a girl after a tragic accident burnt off his penis.

www.bbc.com

Thanks for the link. Nothing about the Pervy Doctor watching them having sex in his office. LOL

1960s. 1975 when they were 9. This could very well be the study I remember. While I think Dr. Money was wrong about sex being purely cultural, I fail to see how "puberty" would affect someone without hormones. Did "Brenda" receive estrogen injections? Nothing at all?

I do know that sex is wired so deeply into our brains that even the dinosaurs had different two different sexes. While there's certainly X and Y genes, there's a lot more to how those particular genes interact with the other 45 chromosomes than human knowledge currently understands.

Note that the suicide thing came after the brother died of a drug overdose. There may have been more going on with the twins than simply a burned off penis.

 

[Damocles]

Thanks for the link. Nothing about the Pervy Doctor watching them having sex in his office. LOL

I literally said that this cut that part out.

1960s. 1975 when they were 9. This could very well be the study I remember. While I think Dr. Money was wrong about sex being purely cultural, I fail to see how "puberty" would affect someone without hormones. Did "Brenda" receive estrogen injections? Nothing at all?

I do know that sex is wired so deeply into our brains that even the dinosaurs had different two different sexes. While there's certainly X and Y genes, there's a lot more to how those particular genes interact with the other 45 chromosomes than human knowledge currently understands.

Note that the suicide thing came after the brother died of a drug overdose. There may have been more going on with the twins than simply a burned off penis.

It did though. "Brenda" was exceedingly unhappy, and yeah they gave "her" those things... You have to read the book about it to get the whole story. This article is a synopsis, much like my post was an even shorter synopsis. That perv was truly a sick bastard.

Kids who undergo sexual abuse often grow up to become adults with psychological issues. It is far more likely "Dr. Money" was the cause of "more problems than a burnt penis" than it is "right" to say that gender is a "social construct".

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Doesn't eliminate transgender children.

As macabre as this sounds, they'll do it on their own given the near 50% suicide rate they have.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

It is a weak argument. When you have to go outside of the subject at hand to find some odd case that is an exception to a rule, you've lost the argument.

Once there is damage that happens, making medical decisions is no longer "elective" though I am sure David would have loved having the option of plastic surgery on his burned penis to restore it to a more normal appearance rather than having to go through the torture of Dr. Money and his sick perversions.

Like you did with the "pervy doctor" claim? You're obviously free to disagree, but my point was to ask "where do we draw the line?" You favor blanket laws, I, as a libertarian, do not.

There, you blinked again. The "elective" surgery was to castrate "Brenda". Agreed on plastic surgery, but, again, this was the 1960s when the US agreed with DuPont that spreading Agent Orange over our troops in Vietnam was a grand idea. We've learned a few things in the past 60 years.

Hindsight is 20/20. Why you want to persist in calling Dr. Money a pervert watching kids fuck in his office is a mystery to me since that's not even in the link.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

vols identified as a Nazi youth.

 

[AProudLefty]

As macabre as this sounds, they'll do it on their own given the near 50% suicide rate they have.

I looked. It's attempted and it's around 40%.

Gays have attempted suicides. Your point?

Does that prove that transgender children don't exist?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I literally said that this cut that part out.



It did though. "Brenda" was exceedingly unhappy, and yeah they gave "her" those things... You have to read the book about it to get the whole story. This article is a synopsis, much like my post was an even shorter synopsis. That perv was truly a sick bastard.

Kids who undergo sexual abuse often grow up to become adults with psychological issues. It is far more likely "Dr. Money" was the cause of "more problems than a burnt penis" than it is "right" to say that gender is a "social construct".

In the Civil War amputations were common in order to save the life of the soldier. No doubt those soldiers would have preferred a helicopter lift to a surgical hospital to save their limb, but is there any doubt the doctors did the best they could?

Why do you doubt Dr. Money did the best he could? He consulted with the parents. No doubt he also consulted with medical doctors on different options as would the parents. IMO, they did the best they could at the time.

It was vols who claimed gender was social construct. I said it was also an individual construct since people are products of both their genes and their upbringing. Nature and Nurture. The mistake Dr. Money made was to believe gender was solely a social construct and he ignored the Nature part of the equation. Again, Hindsight is 20/20 on a case over 60 years old.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

I looked. It's attempted and it's around 40%.

Gays have attempted suicides. Your point?

Dies that prove that transgender children don't exist?

No other group comes close to the rate of transgenders. What I'm saying is a good chunk of them are going to die at their own hand no assistance needed.

It argues that what they need isn't "transition" surgery, but rather serious psychiatric help.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I only claim Godwin's Law against people left of Alt-Right and never, ever on my fellow MAGAts

No shit, Terry.

 

[AProudLefty]

No other group comes close to the rate of transgenders. What I'm saying is a good chunk of them are going to die at their own hand no assistance needed.

It argues that what they need isn't "transition" surgery, but rather serious psychiatric help.

Teens have committed suicide due to bullying.

Psychiatric help is already available. You just don't like it. You prefer the alternative which ultimately will end in suicide.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

No shit, Terry.

Way to try and skirt the textbox altering rule.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Teens have committed suicide due to bullying.

Psychiatric help is already available. You just don't like it. You prefer the alternative which ultimately will end in suicide.

Not at the rate of transgenders. People in the worst prisons don't commit suicide at anything close to that rate. So, you can't chalk it up to "bullying."

 

[AProudLefty]

Not at the rate of transgenders. People in the worst prisons don't commit suicide at anything close to that rate. So, you can't chalk it up to "bullying."

Non sequitur fallacy.

 

[BartenderElite]

Not at the rate of transgenders. People in the worst prisons don't commit suicide at anything close to that rate. So, you can't chalk it up to "bullying."

Sure you can.

The prison analogy is hardly apples to apples. It's hard to be a transgender youth in today's America.

 

[Bigdog]

What "life-altering surgery" is being done children? Children being under 12.

You mean 18. Now you want to erase the biological differences between ... ADULT AND CHILD, the ultimate leftist goal.

 

[AProudLefty]

You mean 18. Now you want to erase the biological differences between ... ADULT AND CHILD, the ultimate leftist goal.

 

[Damocles]

Like you did with the "pervy doctor" claim? You're obviously free to disagree, but my point was to ask "where do we draw the line?" You favor blanket laws, I, as a libertarian, do not.

There, you blinked again. The "elective" surgery was to castrate "Brenda". Agreed on plastic surgery, but, again, this was the 1960s when the US agreed with DuPont that spreading Agent Orange over our troops in Vietnam was a grand idea. We've learned a few things in the past 60 years.

Hindsight is 20/20. Why you want to persist in calling Dr. Money a pervert watching kids fuck in his office is a mystery to me since that's not even in the link.

What are you talking about? It is a matter of history.

You are again ignoring data sets and just going out in your own direction. Nobody has "blinked" all of this surgery is elective. I said elective the first time, I said it again. I am not "blinking"... I am pointing out your "whataboutism" argument is useless as it is outside of the scope of the topic.

I call him a pervert because what I said about him was true. I told you the article I linked to tells you the story of the kid without the perversion of the doctor during his "study" when I posted the link, you just ignore the data set entirely and pretend real hard and hope nobody notices.