How do you determine who is illegal?

T. A. Gardner said:
I'm not suggesting in the least police start randomly stopping people walking down the sidewalk, going door-to-door, or anything like that. If in the course of your normal business in public you have reason to need identification to do something, we should make the requirement that it be a Real ID. If a state wants to issue non-Real ID to illegals and let them drive in that state, more power to them. They can do that. If a state doesn't want to play along, the federal government should withhold funding in general because that state is really shielding criminals and should be made to enforce the laws like everybody else is doing.

Imagine this: A state starts refusing to respond to bank robberies. The state claims that's a federal responsibility and they want no part in that. That is EXACTLY what a sanctuary city, state, whatever, is doing. It is selectively enforcing laws and ignoring those it doesn't like. We shouldn't put up with anyone or government entity refusing to enforce the laws as written.

So, while immigration is a federal responsibility, like bank robbery, state and local government should be helping to enforce those laws and one way to do that is when in the course of normal business they have reason to suspect someone is here illegally, they have a duty to try and determine whether that is the case or not and assist the federal government in the arrest of such persons for the crime(s) they've committed.
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Illegal immigration is not bank robbery.

This has strayed from my point, in order to round masses such as trump talked about pre-election, one would need to violate many long held principals that we hold dear. I know it was mostly just campaign hyperbole, but why do idiots fall for that so easily?

That is the point.
 
Jarod said:
Illegal immigration is not bank robbery.

This has strayed from my point, in order to round masses such as trump talked about pre-election, one would need to violate many long held principals that we hold dear. I know it was mostly just campaign hyperbole, but why do idiots fall for that so easily?

That is the point.
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Neither is DUI but both are against the law


It has been a long held principle that crossing the border illegally is in fact against the law has been for a very long time
 
volsrocks said:
Neither is DUI but both are against the law
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True, but in order to round masses such as trump talked about pre-election, one would need to violate many long held principals that we hold dear. I know it was mostly just campaign hyperbole, but why do idiots fall for that so easily?
 
Into the Night said:
Driving on a public road is a right. A State MUST issue a license to anyone that can demonstrate control of the vehicle.
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No, it's a privilege. You have a right to travel on public roads, but to drive on them, you need a license and the license can be revoked for cause. If you had a right to drive you wouldn't need a license at all, any more than you need a license to purchase, own, and use a firearm which is an enumerated right.

So, you can travel on public roads without restriction in a bus or other vehicle as a passenger. To DRIVE on a public road you need a privilege license.
 
Jarod said:
They check your id when you take the bar exam. I know there are illegals who are American lawyers, the bar association does not seem to care.
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That is a problem, a big problem. That a criminal can be a legal professional in a court system that tries criminals is a huge problem.
 
Jarod said:
Is it a crime to be here illegally?
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When a person is caught illegally crossing the border—lawfully known as an improper entry—the first offense may include: Civil penalty fine of $50 to $250. Imprisonment for up to six months.
 
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Jarod said:
Illegal immigration is not bank robbery.
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Both are crimes. While they are different crimes, they are both crimes.
Jarod said:
This has strayed from my point, in order to round masses such as trump talked about pre-election, one would need to violate many long held principals that we hold dear. I know it was mostly just campaign hyperbole, but why do idiots fall for that so easily?

That is the point.
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Your point is a logical fallacy, to wit, an argument from fallacy. Trump does not have to violate any "long held principles" (which you fail to name) but rather is saying he will enforce immigration law to the maximum extent possible rather than not enforce it at all as Biden has been doing.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Both are crimes. While they are different crimes, they are both crimes.

Your point is a logical fallacy, to wit, an argument from fallacy. Trump does not have to violate any "long held principles" (which you fail to name) but rather is saying he will enforce immigration law to the maximum extent possible rather than not enforce it at all as Biden has been doing.
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Biden deported a lot of people.... I think your last sentence is untrue.
 
volsrocks said:
Is it a crime to cross the border without going through a point of entry?

When a person is caught illegally crossing the border—lawfully known as an improper entry—the first offense may include: Civil penalty fine of $50 to $250. Imprisonment for up to six months.
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No, if you are seeking asylum you are legally allowed to cross anywhere, but must go to the closest immigration officer you can find.

Where did you come up with the penalty?
 
Jarod said:
There absolutely are ways to make self deportation happen more than it is already happening.

Historically the Republican party has looked the other way regarding illegals working, its a way around the minimum wadge, and a way to give employers more power over employees. My uncle, who grew oranges (a huge trumpper until he died of COVID) made a lot of money using illegals to pick and grow his orange groves.

trump is not going to upset the Florida orange growers, or other wealthy business owners. Just look how President Elon reacted.
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Yeah yeah.i know all of that Captain Obvious. What about that Constitution you were gonna explain?
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Again, and I will repeat this. Not having ID on you is not, even when you’re driving, is not probable cause for you to prove your citizenship status to any local law enforcement.

And it’s not about removing criminals. It also goes without saying that the overwhelming majority of the times it’s done based on racial profiling. I have experienced that myself, or rather my wife has, because she is a naturalized citizen and she is not Caucasian.

We were pulled over in a DUI checkpoint. I was driving and my wife was a passenger. The police wanted to see her ID. Since she wasn’t driving I asked the police officer what his probable cause was for asking her for her ID? He went ballistic on me and started making threats and then told me that since she was obviously a Latina he had probable cause to ask her for her ID. (She isn’t a Latina. She’s a Filipina). I told her not to show her ID and requested a supervisor. The officer still continued to threaten the both of us with arrest but did call for a supervisor. I told the police officer that a persons citizenship ship status was out of his jurisdiction and that basing probable cause on racial profiling was unlawful. When the Supervisor appeared he asked the officer what the problem was and told him his side. When he asked me what was going on I said the officer was asking my wife for her ID for proof of citizenship and was basing probable cause based on her race. The Supervisor promptly said. You’re right. You can be on your way.

And that is where this bullshit is leading. Harassment of both legal residents and naturalized citizens. Maybe you missed how Trump demonized legal Haitian residents down the road from me? Maybe you missed that Trump intends now to go after naturalized citizens and not just Illegal immigrants. So don’t give me this bullshit that legal immigrants are not being demonized.

Besides that what you’re suggesting is treating the symptom and not the problem. It won’t work. It will just lead to a bunch of innocent legal residents and citizens being harassed by law enforcement based on their race or ethnicity and that is already happening which I predicted four years ago is where this demonization of immigrants would lead to. Your suggestion would have no impact on illegal immigration.
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I'm not sure what state you live in but in Texas it is a misdemeanor to drive without a valid driver's license on your person. And it is also against the law to fail to give your correct name and date of birth when asked to buy the police. If you have a warrant at the time the penalty is increased.
 
Jarod said:
Where did you come up with the penalty?
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