How much has Obamacare saved the American people?

Oneuli said:
Look at the stats. What do you think happened to account for the US setting a new record for the least healthcare cost growth over a period of this length?
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You want others to speculate on what might have happened, but only if their speculation agrees with yours?
 
Oneuli said:
It didn't cost anything. It saved money. Go back and reread.
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Why Obamacare failed

Come November, the grim trudge across the increasingly barren Obamacare landscape begins anew. Illinois consumers likely face staggering price hikes for individual insurance policies. Some types of plans could cost an average of 43 percent to 55 percent more. Ditto across the country: A first tranche of states approved 2017 rates with similarly cardiac-arrest-inducing premium increases.

Many Illinois consumers will find fewer choices because major carriers fled this market. UnitedHealthcare bolted. So did Aetna. Land of Lincoln Health collapsed mid-year, leaving policy holders to scramble for coverage that could cost them plenty. In many places across Illinois and the nation, people will find drastically fewer choices of plans than they did last year.
https://www.chicagotribune.com/news...nsurance-medicine-0911-jm-20160909-story.html

Obamacare's True Costs Are Finally Coming To Light

President Obama sold his law as a means to spare people from "double-digit premium increases year after year."

Instead, his "inartfully" named -- and drafted -- Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act has made the situation worse, with insurers asking for the double-digit premium increases the president promised to do away with.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/sallyp...sts-are-finally-coming-to-light/#41374f257789
 
Superfreak said:
Comparing healthcare rates on healthcare without adjusting for overall inflation rates is misleading. Of course healthcare inflation rates are going to go up higher under Carter like inflation than they are under sub 2% inflation that we have seen in the past decade. So to do an apples to apples comparison, you must adjust for over all inflation.
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Adjusting for overall inflation would be illegitimate, since overall inflation includes healthcare inflation, so you'd be backing out healthcare inflation from a calculation meant to calculate healthcare inflation. However, if you'd like to recalculate the statistics to show healthcare cost growth after accounting for non-healthcare inflation, please do so.
 
Oneuli said:
Here's a way to think about the success of Obamacare in slowing healthcare inflation. It's been about eight years and eight months since Obamacare was signed into law. We can compute healthcare inflation for 660 eras of that length leading up to the passage of Obamacare. Among the 660 eras, the lowest healthcare inflation was 30%, the highest was 137%, the average was 64%, and the median was 53%.

So, how has the last eight years and eight months looked in that context? Well, it turns out, healthcare inflation has been 26% -- significantly below the prior record-low for a period of that length. The savings from that low rate of healthcare cost growth is substantial. For example, we spend about $10,224 per capita on healthcare today. If, since Obamacare passed, healthcare costs had risen in accordance with an average rate of inflation rather than the record low rate we've had, it would be $12,898. So, for a family of four, you could think of the difference as a $10,696 of additional healthcare costs, just for a single year. And that figure gets bigger every year that our healthcare spending growth remains below average.

https://fred.stlouisfed.org/series/CPIMEDSL
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Where in that link are you getting the numbers you posted?
 
Mr.Badguy said:
Obamacare is such a flop Republicans should be presenting their new plan to replace it with something better any day now... Lol
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Nothing is more asinine than leftists arguing that Republicans should fix something that they had ZERO to do with in the first place. No transparency, no bipartisanship and incompetence in every way defines the Obamacare effort.

Jonathan Gruber Videos: Mr.Badguy "Too Stupid to Understand" Obamacare
 
Truth Detector said:
Perhaps you need to do the math
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I did. Now it's your turn: what's healthcare inflation been since Obamacare? What was the lowest rate of healthcare inflation for a period of that length before Obamacare.

If you need someone to walk you through the math, just let me know.
 
Oneuli said:
It didn't cost anything. It saved money. Go back and reread.
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Now you are just flat out lying snowflake. But that was predictable with low IQ dullards like you. There is no way you can subsidize millions of people and claim that we are saving money.

There is nothing that supports the moronic contention that Obamacare has lived up to its promises of lower premiums, you can keep your plan, you can keep your doctor or even that it would help to lower the deficit.

Stop being a moron, if that is even possible.
 
Truth Detector said:
\Why do you keep pontificating about the lower cost of increase....
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I point out the lower rate of increase because that's the relevant metric for figuring out if we're better off with Obamacare than we would have been without it. What you would prefer to do is turn this into a "why I hate Obama" thread. That's the right-wing way. When people are too stupid to talk policy, they talk politicians instead. But the point of this thread was never whether or not the sales pitch for Obamacare was forthright. If you want a thread on that, feel free to start one. The point of this thread is to show how much Obamacare saved Americans.
 
Legion said:
I see no causative effect.
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Of course not, and you never will, because it runs afoul of your political prejudices. But if the exact opposite scenario had played out, you'd see the causative effect. You know it, I know it, and everyone else in here knows it.
 
Legion said:
I'm all for universal health care, as long as it's feasible economically.
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I am not; universally run healthcare by Government bureaucrats would be the single worst thing to ever happen to Americans. The last thing we need are longer waiting times, a lack of specialists, no new drugs being invented and the massive taxes that often accommodation such a fiasco.

The notion that the Government can run anything competently defies common sense and history.

They couldn't even implement the website without massive mistakes.

Obamacare Website Costs Exceed $2 Billion, Study Finds
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/arti...re-website-costs-exceed-2-billion-study-finds
 
Oneuli said:
I point out the lower rate of increase because that's the relevant metric for figuring out if we're better off with Obamacare than we would have been without it. What you would prefer to do is turn this into a "why I hate Obama" thread. That's the right-wing way. When people are too stupid to talk policy, they talk politicians instead. But the point of this thread was never whether or not the sales pitch for Obamacare was forthright. If you want a thread on that, feel free to start one. The point of this thread is to show how much Obamacare saved Americans.
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https://ldi.upenn.edu/brief/effects-aca-health-care-cost-containment

Try reading this. It is a good read. As it states, due to rising costs, many companies went back to offering high deductible plans. That lowered the growth rate in healthcare costs with the rise in 2013 being just under 3%. After the ACA went into effect in Oct 2013, the growth rate spiked up to 5.3% in 2014 and 5.8% in 2015. So no, the ACA was not a positive on the growth in healthcare costs.
 
Oneuli said:
Yes, the dramatic slowing of healthcare cost growth did, in fact, factor into deficits falling on Obama's watch.
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Deficits didn't lower you brain dead hack. Obama has the record for the largest deficits this nation has ever experienced. I am fairly certain he will retain that title for a very long time.
 
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