christiefan915
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ROTFL, 28 groans from Voltaire. Can anybody say...
I'll be damned...the most brutal of the Delhi gang rapists is Muslim.
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christiefan915
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Exactly, decades of the harshest dictatorships ever but people like Volt will rationalize it because of the oil.
Are you asking for the data on how many former Muslims are executed for leaving the faith ?
And just what is your point ?.....50 % of Americans not only believe in the death penalty,.... but where the liberals don't go bat shit crazy protesting, when the
execution date arrives, we carry it though to protect society and for justice for murdered victim....
Are you actually comparing the death sentence for murderers in the west, equal to death for leaving the Muslim religion anywhere in the world ?
Of course we're talking about different cultures.....practically speaking, a civilized culture compared to a barbaric culture....death for leaving the faith is the least
of their barbarism.....don't just ignore the mutilation, enslavement, the methods of punishment, the injustice for being a victim, lack of basic human rights, etc.....
The culture must be evaluated as a whole, not just in apostasy.
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Many people from the UK, including me, have been to Turkey. I am sure that somebody wouold have noticed beheading, hand chopping and stoning by now.
We're not talking about the Qur'an.....nice try at topic change though....
We are talking about the reality of what is happening within the culture.
christiefan915
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Yes, I am.
My point is that different societies have different laws and what's criminal in one isn't in another.
It's not justice, it's not a deterrent, it's revenge, pure and simple. We as a society should be better than that.
I'm saying both are wrong.
I've never denied that these things occur, and not just in ME cultures, in all cultures. But it's infuriating to see you guys thinking you can impose Western values on other parts of the world on one hand, yet you bitch and complain about Muslim, Hispanic, etc. cultures eroding WASP America on the other hand. I haven't forgotten the Park 51 business a few years ago when so many nutcases complained about the mosque and made death threats to the builders. Not to mention all the violence and death threats to Muslims starting with 9/11. We do not have the moral high ground here, our country's fanatics are as nasty as anyone's.
christiefan915
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Look Popeye we're talking about a theocracy here. It's not a topic change, in the ME the two are intertwined.
why does it matter? even if every other country polled responded with "We believe everyone should have hugs and rainbows" that still leaves you with 20% of muslims that believe you should be killed merely for leaving their faith. Not an extremist fringe group. Not a paltry number. A very sizable chunk of muslims. Very dangerous number too.
I already took into account the small number of muslims, in say Turkey, that believed in death for apostasy. There is no escaping the facts that I posted.
Why does it matter, I would think you would not be one of those that needed this explained, I am disappointed.
They are no more dangerous than the nutty Christians who believe that abortion clinics and Muslim countries need to be bombed off the face of the Earth, or that homosexuals should be put to death.
Crazy people with Crazy religious ideas are just that, crazy people with crazy ideas, religion is just a tool to spread their hate.
It's really funny the lengths these liberals will go to defend such a violent and hateful religion. If I posted a long diatribe on how bad christians are, I have no doubt in my mind it would have been thanked by christie, darla, and rana.
I think for a lot of people, criticizing christians is just a roundabout way of putting down redneck idiots. (which I also love to do) but when you push them to criticize other religions in the world, they recoil in fear. Afterall, "the rednecks hate the brown people! "I have to go for the second option bias and defend a violent oppressive religion because I cant agree with the conservative idiots in our country!"
it's pathetic and sad. 20% of all muslims believe in death for merely leaving their faith. Unlike cultural views on various laws and crime and punishment, the death for apostasy is directly tied to their personal views on religion, and directly reflects how intolerant they are for others leaving their faith.
1 out of 5. That's like every family having 1 member that believes that shit. All over the world.
I think for a lot of people, criticizing christians is just a roundabout way of putting down redneck idiots. (which I also love to do) but when you push them to criticize other religions in the world, they recoil in fear. Afterall, "the rednecks hate the brown people! "I have to go for the second option bias and defend a violent oppressive religion because I cant agree with the conservative idiots in our country!"
it's pathetic and sad. 20% of all muslims believe in death for merely leaving their faith. Unlike cultural views on various laws and crime and punishment, the death for apostasy is directly tied to their personal views on religion, and directly reflects how intolerant they are for others leaving their faith.
1 out of 5. That's like every family having 1 member that believes that shit. All over the world.
have 300 million christians bombed abortion clinics? Where are your stats to show 300 million christians support death for gays? (which muslims are also probably up there on, if not higher). back up your statements with some facts, and then we'll talk.
and also this is a completely irrelevant argument. It doesn't address any part of what I posted. Your only retort is "Well... yeah, there are even more crazy religious people in ADDITION to all the crazy muslims you described" You provided zero refutation to anything I stated.
seriously whenever I want to feel smarter, I just argue with rana and christie. It's like shooting fish in a barrel. The words just flow from my fingertips. I barely even have to try. It's that easy.
christiefan915
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Maybe they hold their religion in esteem the way you hold your gun rights in esteem. After all you and a few others said the CT childrens' deaths weren't as important as your rights to guns.
christiefan915
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If you made logical sense you might have something to brag about. Your comments on the gun threads show you're every bit the fanatic as the e-e-e-vil Muslims.
I am glad I make you feel superior, although, I fail to see why, your arguments usually end in this fashion, you claiming victory for yourself, when there really is no proof you even showed up to debate.
christiefan915
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This isn't critical thinking. You're starting from the point that Islam is a violent and hateful religion and then finding info to support that and only that. Fail.
christiefan915
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So many of them do that! Bravs and his constant refrain of "schooling" us, ILA and his gloating that he nobody can refute his points, etc. It's just so childish.
LMAO.....Poor Christiefan.....'schooling' you ?......how far back in time do you have to go find a post of mine like that ?.....
Maybe you have me a ILA confused.....none of you have refuted anything I've posted.....stupid denials and childish ridicule isn't considered an argument for facts....
and your annoying habit of continually trying to put words and imply ideas into my posts that mis-characterize whats actually written isn't a refuting anything either....
Incidentally....
Islam IS a violent and hateful religion and finding info to support that is akin to finding sand at the beach.....more so in the Middle Eastern area than anywhere else in
the world....its a more sporadic and isolated problem in other parts of the world where the religion is prevalent.