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IBDaMann said:
Do you have anything else?

Obama refused and refused and refused to release his birth certificate until one could be photoshopped. I didn't even care at all until Obama started making lame excuses. I wondered why he didn't just show his birth certificate right away. Months passed and he couldn't show one. Obama lost all his credibility with me on that issue because of what he did. So, how did I persecute Obama?

I don't believe it's fair to refer to people like myself who became convinced that Obama was lying as a "movement." If someone lies to me, I am not somehow obligated to be grateful.


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& yet in the end, trump admitted he was born in the USA...........:laugh::laugh:
 
AProudLefty said:
The burden is on the person making the claim.
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Exactly. Your affirmative claim is that Obama showed his valid birth certificate at some point. Give me a link to the release and you have made your case.

AProudLefty said:
If you're correct, someone would have a copy of his BC or passport at any job he had and at DMV.
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Apparently not. I didn't need to provide any birth certificate back when I first got mine. In fact, many states started requiring birth certificates for drivers licenses as a result of Obama never having had to show his resulting in the realization you just had.

Also, Obama was a political activist. No birth certificate is ever required for that.

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This nicely encapsulates the situation:


I don't care if Trump later changed his mind (for political expediency) ... I still have not.

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IBDaMann said:
Exactly. Your affirmative claim is that Obama showed his valid birth certificate at some point. Give me a link to the release and you have made your case.
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You have yet to prove that Obama didn't show his BC to the proper people. Even Trump admitted Obama was born in America.

Apparently not. I didn't need to provide any birth certificate back when I first got mine. In fact, many states started requiring birth certificates for drivers licenses as a result of Obama never having had to show his resulting in the realization you just had.
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LOL.

Also, Obama was a political activist. No birth certificate is ever required for that.
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He was a law professor.
 
Bill said:
& yet in the end, trump admitted he was born in the USA..........
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It was not for Trump to admit. Trump was certainly allowed to speak for himself and say whatever he wanted to say to win over voters whose only objection to Trump was that he was pressing the birth certificate issue. It has proven wise for him to have dropped it because he has converted many previous Democrat voters to his team.

I, on the other hand, am still aware that Obama never had any valid birth certificate to show that he was born in the US. I can't just unlearn it.

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AProudLefty said:
You have yet to prove that Obama didn't show his BC to the proper people.
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Great. We'll leave it there. Obama never showed anyone a valid birth certificate that you or anyone can show. That's exactly my point. That needed to happen.

AProudLefty said:
Even Trump admitted Obama was born in America.
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It's not something he can "admit." There is nothing that Trump or anyone can say that will make me unlearn what has happened. Abercrombie admitted defeat in his pursuit to come up with Obama's Hawaii birth certificate to prove that Obama was eligible to be President. Abercrombie can tell you that Obama never showed any Hawaii birth certificate to any election official.

You have a losing argument.

AProudLefty said:
He was a law professor.
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Did Obama have one of those professorships that requires a "born in the USA" birth certificate? [this is a trick question by the way]
 
IBDaMann said:
Great. We'll leave it there. Obama never showed anyone a valid birth certificate that you or anyone can show. That's exactly my point. That needed to happen.
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I'll accept your defeat. BTW, the Constitution doesn't require them to release the long form BC to the public.

Anyway, nothing you say will convince anyone so I'll just let this rest.
 
AProudLefty said:
I'll accept your defeat. BTW, the Constitution doesn't require them to release the long form BC to the public.
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You have shifted goalposts.

Your original assertion was that people who hold my understanding were somehow "attacking" Obama. You have yet to explain how I ever "attacked" Obama.

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Anyway, nothing you say will convince anyone so I'll just let this rest.
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Anyway, nothing you say will convince anyone that I ever attacked Obama. It remains perfectly acceptable to recognize that Obama never showed a valid birth certificate to anyone.

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IBDaMann said:
You have shifted goalposts.
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How so?

Your original assertion was that people who hold my understanding were somehow "attacking" Obama. You have yet to explain how I ever "attacked" Obama.
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The birth movement was to attack Obama. And you hold the position that Obama was lying without proof, which is a defamation. That is a form of attack on Obama's character.

Anyway, nothing you say will convince anyone that I ever attacked Obama. It remains perfectly acceptable to recognize that Obama never showed a valid birth certificate to anyone.
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He did release the long form after public's request.

BTW, you are not an expert on forged documents.

As a side topic, you know you can add anything to your sig?
 
AProudLefty said:
The birth movement was to attack Obama.
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Nope. There was no movement. It was a hoax to refer to people like me as a "movement." People like me simply made observations and were maligned for having done so.


AProudLefty said:
And you hold the position that Obama was lying without proof,
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Nope.

I correctly claim that the Constitution requires "natural born" citizenship to be eligible for the Presidency.
I correctly claim that today that requires producing a valid "born in the US" birth certificate.
I correctly claim that no one can show that Obama met his obligations to show that he met the elegibility requirements.


AProudLefty said:
He did release the long form after public's request.
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Obama never released a valid birth certificate. He released an unsigned, unvalidated "certificate of live birth" which is nowhere near the same thing and is never accepted in lieu of a birth certificate where birth certificates are required.


AProudLefty said:
As a side topic, you know you can add anything to your sig?
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Yes, but I haven't gotten around to it. It's a coincidence that you mention it because for the past few days I have been thinking "I should really set that up" but just never did.

OK, OK ... tomorrow I'll make it a point to do it. You talked me into it.

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IBDaMann said:
I correctly claim that the Constitution requires "natural born" citizenship to be eligible for the Presidency.
I correctly claim that today that requires producing a valid "born in the US" birth certificate.
I correctly claim that no one can show that Obama met his obligations to show that he met the elegibility requirements.
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Yes. None of which requires Obama to release it to the public.

Same with Trump not being required to release his returns to the public.

Obama never released a valid birth certificate. He released an unsigned, unvalidated "certificate of live birth" which is nowhere near the same thing and is never accepted in lieu of a birth certificate where birth certificates are required.
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Again, you are not an expert on forged documents.


OK, OK ... tomorrow I'll make it a point to do it. You talked me into it.
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LOL. Okay ;)
 
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