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The Almighty
""They" fail for many different reasons. The simple fact that you are unable to imagine what those reasons might be does nothing but demonstrate your lack of imagination. Or empathy, perhaps."
I see plenty of reasons they can use as excuses to fail. I am in no way saying they have it easy. But to act as if they cannot get out if they work hard enough is simply sad. It is a cop out. But I expect nothing less from a liberal.... its too tough, so its okay to accept failure.
"Fundamentally, "they" fail because a certain amount of failure is built into the system."
No question. I agree.
"Not everyone is lucky enough to be born with the skill set of which you approve. Not everyone learns at the same rate, or can learn the same things. "
No shit. Thanks captain obvious. It is not a question of having a skill set of which I "approve". It has to do with personal responsibility. How many don't learn, because it isn't cool or they are following their parents example or they don't "approve" of the system, or they think it is easier to just quit? There are many reasons that one can use to show why they fail, but no one is being kept at the point that they cannot make it out should they choose to put forth the effort.... no matter how tough that effort is.
"And there simply aren't enough jobs to go around. Never has been since the industrial revolution. Never will be, likely enough."
Bullshit. There are more than enough jobs in the US. That is a myth propagated by the left to provide yet one more excuse to quit or even worse... to not try.
"You have no reason to believe this since anyone can claim anything online, but it is nevertheless quite true: I've been poor. Genuinely poor. I was even homeless for one brief stretch. Poor, I know, all too intimately."
I certainly agree that anyone can say anything on line... but to date you have never lied to me, so I will take you at your word. While I have never been poor enough to be homeless, my family was certainly on the upper end of lower income. Yet, I worked hard, got an education and got a partial scholarship for college. The rest, I took out in loans.... which I then paid off for ten friggin years.
"The majority of poor people probably work a hell of a lot harder than you do."
Those that actually work, I am sure they do. But I worked hard to get where I am. It wasn't easy and there were many very lean years. But I certainly take the time to enjoy the fruits of my labor now.
"I know I worked harder then than I do now: no question about that."
Ditto.
"I don't believe that poverty can be completely wiped out. It's too important for us monkeys to have an underclass to feel superior to, for one thing. That's not a joke, by the way: all simian societies, including ours, tend to be rather coldly heirarchical. All I'm interested in, and all most progressives are interested in, is to reduce poverty as far as possible and then mititgate the effects for those still stuck there."
You may find this odd, but I actually agree with you. I just don't think our current system works.... and from my perspective, it is the left that tends to get in the way of moderating or changing the system. The same with social security and education. The left uses fear on these issues much the same way the right does with the war on terror or drugs or gays etc...
I see plenty of reasons they can use as excuses to fail. I am in no way saying they have it easy. But to act as if they cannot get out if they work hard enough is simply sad. It is a cop out. But I expect nothing less from a liberal.... its too tough, so its okay to accept failure.
"Fundamentally, "they" fail because a certain amount of failure is built into the system."
No question. I agree.
"Not everyone is lucky enough to be born with the skill set of which you approve. Not everyone learns at the same rate, or can learn the same things. "
No shit. Thanks captain obvious. It is not a question of having a skill set of which I "approve". It has to do with personal responsibility. How many don't learn, because it isn't cool or they are following their parents example or they don't "approve" of the system, or they think it is easier to just quit? There are many reasons that one can use to show why they fail, but no one is being kept at the point that they cannot make it out should they choose to put forth the effort.... no matter how tough that effort is.
"And there simply aren't enough jobs to go around. Never has been since the industrial revolution. Never will be, likely enough."
Bullshit. There are more than enough jobs in the US. That is a myth propagated by the left to provide yet one more excuse to quit or even worse... to not try.
"You have no reason to believe this since anyone can claim anything online, but it is nevertheless quite true: I've been poor. Genuinely poor. I was even homeless for one brief stretch. Poor, I know, all too intimately."
I certainly agree that anyone can say anything on line... but to date you have never lied to me, so I will take you at your word. While I have never been poor enough to be homeless, my family was certainly on the upper end of lower income. Yet, I worked hard, got an education and got a partial scholarship for college. The rest, I took out in loans.... which I then paid off for ten friggin years.
"The majority of poor people probably work a hell of a lot harder than you do."
Those that actually work, I am sure they do. But I worked hard to get where I am. It wasn't easy and there were many very lean years. But I certainly take the time to enjoy the fruits of my labor now.
"I know I worked harder then than I do now: no question about that."
Ditto.
"I don't believe that poverty can be completely wiped out. It's too important for us monkeys to have an underclass to feel superior to, for one thing. That's not a joke, by the way: all simian societies, including ours, tend to be rather coldly heirarchical. All I'm interested in, and all most progressives are interested in, is to reduce poverty as far as possible and then mititgate the effects for those still stuck there."
You may find this odd, but I actually agree with you. I just don't think our current system works.... and from my perspective, it is the left that tends to get in the way of moderating or changing the system. The same with social security and education. The left uses fear on these issues much the same way the right does with the war on terror or drugs or gays etc...
