Is Climate Change Possible Redux

[Lao Tse]

Again, an oversimplification.

no.

it actually is simple.

you're just a moron who hates humanity.

 

[Daylight63]

no.

it actually is simple.

you're just a moron who hates humanity.

You didn't read the article. You didn't respond to the points the scientists raised.

You are in no position to call anyone a "moron" in this discussion.

Learn how plants work and THEN come back to this topic.

 

[Lao Tse]

You didn't read the article. You didn't respond to the points the scientists raised.

You are in no position to call anyone a "moron" in this discussion.

Learn how plants work and THEN come back to this topic.

those points are niggling and stupid.

co2 is crucial for plant life.

no scientist disputes this.

we can take whatever heat results more than we can withstand the idiotic focus on co2 destroying the food supply chain in multiple ways.

why do you hate humanity?

 

[Lao Tse]

Sorry to ask this: what do voter rolls have to do with climate change? Am I missing something?

I dont know who fucked up first.

but I bet I can find the connections.

 

[ZenMode]

there are processes to keep rolls valid.

she fell through the cracks.

that's regrettable, but the solution is not to have no curing process or any rules at all.

Yes, there are processes to keep rolls valid. There are right and wrong ways to utilize that process. There is no excuse to cancel the registration of American citizens especially less than a month before election day.

The irony is that YOU call ME the traitor.

 

[Lao Tse]

Yes, there are processes to keep rolls valid. There are right and wrong ways to utilize that process. There is no excuse to cancel the registration of American citizens especially less than a month before election day.

The irony is that YOU call ME the traitor.

if she missed the response deadline, yes, that;s a good reason.
sorry.

you object to rules of any kind.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

One thing to remember about how H2O and CO2 work in the atmosphere is that they are controlled by VERY DIFFERENT SYSTEMS.

When you put a lot of extra H2O into the atmosphere you are, indeed, increasing a greenhouse gas. BUT excess H2O can RAPIDLY re-equilibrate back to normal levels via things like RAIN or SNOW. This is called the HYDROLOGIC CYCLE. It is very fast.

When you have aircraft flying every day, creating contrails every day, it doesn't matter how quickly they dissipate. New ones are formed immediately. Very little actual science has been done on these, but even what has been done puts estimates of 10% + of warming caused by increased cloud cover due to contrails.
The NOAA and NASA were able for the first time immediately following 9/11 to observe the US free of contrails for over a week and found they were a significant contributor to warming. Yet, they are all but ignored because both the money and politics are in CO2 and 'solutions' to CO2.

Gorebal Warming is more about politics than science today.

When you put extra CO2 in the atmosphere it takes a MUCH longer time to lower that back down because CO2 is managed by the CARBON CYCLE which requires a lot of effort and time to "fix" the carbon in the atmosphere in things like plants and dissolving into the ocean (a buffered system) or being fixed in the soil.

This is why scientists call CO2 a FORCING and H2O a FEEDBACK (since higher temps will result in higher H2O)

The difference is CO2 is a negligible amount in the atmosphere, and there is scientific evidence that in the past it was a much larger part of the atmosphere. The changes caused by anthropogenic CO2 are miniscule compared to the entire atmosphere.

Compare that to often 8 to 9 tenths cloud cover created and maintained by aircraft contrails over most of, in particular, the Northern hemisphere.

 

[Daylight63]

those points are niggling and stupid.

co2 is crucial for plant life.

no scientist disputes this.

we can take whatever heat results more than we can withstand the idiotic focus on co2 destroying the food supply chain in multiple ways.

why do you hate humanity?

You are clearly not a serious debator on this topic and you appear to know next to nothing about it and care even less. You are on here to shout your uninformed opinions and insult folks.

You lost the debate without even showing up at the podium.

 

[ZenMode]

if she missed the response deadline, yes, that;s a good reason.
sorry.

you object to rules of any kind.

You aren't sorry. You are a typical MAGA fool. The same kind of person who supported Trump's efforts to nullify votes because they used a drop box. YOU are the one who is truly unAmerican.

 

[Daylight63]

Gorebal Warming is more about politics than science today.

Actually your point kind of proves global warming as a real issue. You note there is a known greenhouse gas that we are actively pumping into the atmosphere at a rate high enough to potentially be a warming force in the atmosphere. That's the greenhouse effect in a nutshell.

The difference is CO2 is a negligible amount in the atmosphere,

Not really. Small quantities doesn't always just have small effects. Just because the numbers look small to YOU doesn't mean they don't have a measurable effect.

Perhaps you think the earth's climate scientists are unaware of the ppm levels of CO2? Do you think you have figure out something that thousands upon thousands of independent researchers over the last 150 or so years have "missed" on this front?

and there is scientific evidence that in the past it was a much larger part of the atmosphere.

Correct. And it was hotter then. It's one of the ways we know how excess CO2 works on the climate.

No one denies that the earth has had different climates over its existence. The key is that not all climate change is caused by the same thing. Right now we can't understand why the earth is getting warmer with EXPLICITLY including human activities in the calculation. Otherwise the numbers don't line up.

The changes caused by anthropogenic CO2 are miniscule compared to the entire atmosphere.

That's 100% incorrect.

 

[Daylight63]

You aren't sorry. You are a typical MAGA fool. The same kind of person who supported Trump's efforts to nullify votes because they used a drop box. YOU are the one who is truly unAmerican.

There's sufficient reason to believe that there are some posters on JPP whose sole aim is to simply disagree and ramp up people to get them angry and shouting at each other. I assume it is perhaps part of whatever foreign interference in our general polity goes on, but there's also the possibility that this poster is just astoundingly uneducated on a very large number of things. Climate change, economics, etc.

There's another poster who constantly tells people they are violating laws of thermodynamics when they accept climate change. But it is manifestly clear they don't really understand the thermo to any extent.

 

[IBDaMann]

You're the one making the claims based on the affidavits.

... and on my own observations. Don't forget those.

YOU tell ME what they say?

I already have, in depth, several times. You are pretending that I somehow never did. You know very well the answer to your own question.

 

[ZenMode]

... and on my own observations. Don't forget those.

Your own observations? You mean like the "situation" that Giuliani observed that cost him his penthouse because he falsely accused innocent people of fraud?

I already have, in depth, several times. You are pretending that I somehow never did. You know very well the answer to your own question.

Great. Since you've read the affidavits, you should have no problem sending me a link to them so I can read them.

 

[ZenMode]

There's sufficient reason to believe that there are some posters on JPP whose sole aim is to simply disagree and ramp up people to get them angry and shouting at each other. I assume it is perhaps part of whatever foreign interference in our general polity goes on, but there's also the possibility that this poster is just astoundingly uneducated on a very large number of things. Climate change, economics, etc.

There's another poster who constantly tells people they are violating laws of thermodynamics when they accept climate change. But it is manifestly clear they don't really understand the thermo to any extent.

It's hard to tell if any given person is a Trump supporter who has been brainwashed or if they're a troll.

 

[Lao Tse]

You aren't sorry. You are a typical MAGA fool. The same kind of person who supported Trump's efforts to nullify votes because they used a drop box. YOU are the one who is truly unAmerican.

many of the changes made to election rules in 2020 were unconstitutional, as they were not approved by the state legislatures.

technically legally the entire 2020 election is legally invalid.

 

[Lao Tse]

You are clearly not a serious debator on this topic and you appear to know next to nothing about it and care even less. You are on here to shout your uninformed opinions and insult folks.

You lost the debate without even showing up at the podium.

your attack on c02 is an attack on all life on earth.


you're distracting idiocies don't refute that.

ok, plants also need other things. that changes nothing co2 is still crucial.

from the very first points its idiotic and only got worse.

you're retardedd.

 

[Daylight63]

your attack on c02 is an attack on all life on earth.


you're distracting idiocies don't refute that.

Actually I provided you with a reference which explains the point. But because you have limited attention span or reading skills you didn't even bother.

ok, plants also need other things. that changes nothing co2 is still crucial.

Poor guy. If you don't read you can't learn. But I suspect that's never been something you worried about.

you're retardedd.

Says the man who can't even read an article when it is provided for him. Do you need me to read it to you? Explain some of the "big words"? Concepts you might not be familiar with like "biology"? "botany"?

 

[Lao Tse]

Actually I provided you with a reference which explains the point. But because you have limited attention span or reading skills you didn't even bother.



Poor guy. If you don't read you can't learn. But I suspect that's never been something you worried about.



Says the man who can't even read an article when it is provided for him. Do you need me to read it to you? Explain some of the "big words"? Concepts you might not be familiar with like "biology"? "botany"?

the point is poorly thought out and doesn't change the calamitous result of trying to reduce c02.

please stop attempting to murder the earth please.

 

[Lao Tse]

its time for the next ringer.

this one has been soundly defeated on multiple threads simulataneously.

 

[Daylight63]

the point is poorly thought out and doesn't change the calamitous result of trying to reduce c02.

please stop attempting to murder the earth please.

Why are you here? Honest question. YOu can't be as stupid as your posts indicate. Otherwise you couldn't even turn on the computer. So why are you here posting?