Is Newt Right?

VP Nixon decided to throw away the peace treaty in Vietnam, and start the Vietnam War, he committed the USA to complete military backing. He thought in terms of the Korean War, and spoke of tanks and division strength movements, but he was willing to have the USA in the war that he had just started.

That being said, JFK and LBJ could have just walked away from the war Nixon started. They did not have to commit US troops. That basically concedes your point, but the war started under Eisenhower(Nixon), and the initial promises of unlimited military forces were made by Nixon.

It is interesting that Nixon wanted control over Northeast Asia (Korea), and Europe for the Eisenhower Administration. Instead, he was given the Caribbean(Cuba), and Southeast Asia(Vietnam), both of which collapsed under his watch.



In one election, the popular vote is unimportant. In multiple elections, it shows the direction the people are going. If a party cannot win the popular vote, they may win an election or two, but they are headed for irrelevant. To make it worse, it usually is part of a trend.

Republicans are locked into a minority demographic that is shrinking as a percent of the voting population. They almost lost Texas now several times in a row, and have lost Georgia... When Texas and Georgia are battleground states, they are in trouble.

VP's don't set US policy.

Correct that JFK and LBJ chose to ratchet up US involvement. https://www.history.com/news/us-presidents-vietnam-war-escalation

Agreed on direction but I believe you are looking at the situation too narrowly by focusing on only the Republicans and seeing what Americans are doing as a whole.

Yes, the Republicans are their own worst enemies and killing themselves.
 
VP's don't set US policy.

The buck stops with Eisenhower for starting the Vietnam War, and Nixon's unlimited commitments of American military power.

Correct that JFK and LBJ chose to ratchet up US involvement.

The buck stops with JFK and LBJ for ratcheting up US involvement. The buck stops with Nixon for keeping forces in Vietnam until he won reelection, and for expanding the war in Cambodia and Laos. Do not forget it was Nixon who destroyed Cambodia.
 
I vote most often 3rd party..

I find the two party system a stranglehold on the public

Each election cycle the opposition party represents themselves as the solution, as did the party in power previously.

Vote the bastards out only to have them return in their new roles.:palm:

you seem so reasonable. why does your big issue appear to be unconditional support of chinese mercantilism? is this about winner takes all?


tell me more about comparative advantage.
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I think this could change if the democrats turn things around regarding Covid-19 and the economy. It has to be clear to anyone, the republicans are a failure for democracy, their only appeal is oppositional. The diehard republican voter is managed by a few words today; say leftist, cancel, woke, socialism, immigration and their otherwise empty minds react like a puppy being feed. Kinda sad how awful too, the republican party has become so bad many republicans are against it today. But Trump's cult followers are another story, they buy into victimhood and drink the cool-aid regardless of reality.

'The Conservative Cult of Victimhood'

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2021/01/conservatism-reaches-dead-end/617629/

'Education, Not Income, Predicted Who Would Vote For Trump'

https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/education-not-income-predicted-who-would-vote-for-trump/

'The Effect of President Trump's Election on *Hate Crimes'

https://papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=3102652


"The president [Trump] is a nationalist, which is not at all the same thing as a patriot. A nationalist encourages us to be our worst, and then tells us that we are the best. A nationalist, 'although endlessly brooding on power, victory, defeat, revenge,' wrote Orwell, tends to be 'uninterested in what happens in the real world.' Nationalism is relativist, since the only truth is the resentment we feel when we contemplate others. As the novelist Danilo Kiš put it, nationalism 'has no universal values, aesthetic or ethical.' A patriot, by contrast, wants the nation to live up to its ideals, which means asking us to be our best selves. A patriot must be concerned with the real world, which is the only place where his country can be loved and sustained. A patriot has universal values, standards by which he judges his nation, always wishing it well—and wishing that it would do better." Timothy Snyder 'On Tyranny'
 
The Trumptarded factor in the Republican party is directly causing them to be a basket case.

It's not going to be an easy win for the Republicans even if they drop Trump. Trump is like a virus that has many lifetime complications- even after it's cure and it's out of pandemic proportion.

Once trust is lost in a Political party, it's hard to re-establish trust!

wrong. anti globalism has strong support on both sides of the aisle.
 
I think it's a sign of the times. Remember when GW won reelection with 52% of the vote and declared he had a "mandate from the People"? Were you thinking "WTF?" like me?

The nation is narrowly divided. Some people interpret that to mean "we're on the verge of civil war". Others, me included, interpret that to mean, most of us aren't happy with either party and are usually voting for the challenger in each election to keep the dominant part off balance.

that does expalin your robotic and senseless political posturings.
 
wrong. anti globalism has strong support on both sides of the aisle.

Democrats are not xenophobes.

Democrats are basically Free Trade advocates

Democrats also believe that we are a country of immigrants.

Democrats believe that America should be a good example of Democracy to the rest of the World.

Democrats believe that our allies are important to the United States.

Democrats believe America should never break a Peace Treaty or commitment to a foreign country without a valid reason.

Democrats believe that it is in our best Interest to STOP pandemics before they get out of control and start invading our Country killing our economy and millions of Americans!

I refuse to speak for Republicans, but they are the complete opposites of Democrats and appear to be anti-global- anti-immigration- anti-democratic- Xenophobic- have no respect for world treaties and world organizations- Republicans don't even have respect for the planet earth- not even OUR WATER- NOT EVEN OUR OWN AIR THAT WE BREATH!
 
you seem so reasonable. why does your big issue appear to be unconditional support of chinese mercantilism? is this about winner takes all?


tell me more about comparative advantage.
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You hung over from last night still??

If you should ever want to discuss China I will more than happy to do so, under one condition, sobriety........

Schools open, you just ring the bell when you're ready:cool:
 
Democrats are not xenophobes.

Democrats are basically Free Trade advocates

Democrats also believe that we are a country of immigrants.

Democrats believe that America should be a good example of Democracy to the rest of the World.

Democrats believe that our allies are important to the United States.

Democrats believe America should never break a Peace Treaty or commitment to a foreign country without a valid reason.

Democrats believe that it is in our best Interest to STOP pandemics before they get out of control and start invading our Country killing our economy and millions of Americans!

I refuse to speak for Republicans, but they are the complete opposites of Democrats and appear to be anti-global- anti-immigration- anti-democratic- Xenophobic- have no respect for world treaties and world organizations- Republicans don't even have respect for the planet earth- not even OUR WATER- NOT EVEN OUR OWN AIR THAT WE BREATH!

it's not xenophobic to spot a destructive trade deal.
 
You hung over from last night still??

If you should ever want to discuss China I will more than happy to do so, under one condition, sobriety........

Schools open, you just ring the bell when you're ready:cool:

I've heard enough neocon internationalist fascist bullshit to last a lifetime.
 
You hung over from last night still??

If you should ever want to discuss China I will more than happy to do so, under one condition, sobriety........

Schools open, you just ring the bell when you're ready:cool:

You have not proven to know enough to be worth the effort.
 
Because schools no longer have any interest in teaching, nor do parents all too often....helicopter parenting (They better not over get a skinned knee, that would be tragic!) just kills us.

so many people think they're in the cool kid club, but they're just not.

the organ harvesters will come for them, and they'll be shocked.
 
so many people think they're in the cool kid club, but they're just not.

the organ harvesters will come for them, and they'll be shocked.

Solzhenitsyn pointed out in his Harvard speech (1978) that people tend to say and think what is in fashion rather than what is true, and Yglesias said on his Twitter right after leaving Vox that for the most part people dont care about what is true/not true or if their ideas work in practice, all they care about are ego strokes and if the culture wars are going their way.

As for your quote Gad Saad talks about that all the time.
 
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