gfm7175
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Uh oh... That means that he'd actually have to take a stand on something and be able to support his position...
Is the Bible Literally True? No, of Course Not!
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gfm is the head of the hydra that talks in longer form.
ZenMode
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There is no after the fact. If literacy in the Roman Empire was incredibly rare for all but the wealthy, it was incredibly rare.
The demographics of the disciples is well covered. They weren't the kind of people who were likely to be literate in Aramaic, much less Greek which was the original language of the gospels.
Regardless of who was judging Peter and John and why, they were known to be illiterate, which perfectly aligns with their demographics. Again in the unlikely case they were literate, it wouldn't be in Greek.
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gfm7175
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Your posts are almost always worthless.
BidenPresident
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get lost troll
gfm7175
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Actually, my responses are usually quite short and blunt (unless I'm elaborating upon something). You must be thinking of IBDaMann who is quite the creative wordsmith.
ZenMode
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Works for me. He answers questions and makes conversation possible. Into the Night is like talking to a doll where you pull the string and it just repeats one of a few lines.
You didn't even know about that reference to Peter in Acts until you saw me write about it. And then within ten seconds you suddenly appointed yourself an expert in Acts.
According to Wiki, most scholars say the Koine Greek word agrammatoi (ἀγράμματοι) can be literally translated as "unlettered" or "illiterate".
Peter was a fisherman by trade. He wasn't a recreational fisherman. I think we can be reasonably certain a fisherman from Galilee would not be expected to be able to write in Greek
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98% of the population was illiterate. It is most likely 98% of the disciples were, too.
Right, it's ridiculous to even suggest that outside of the elite and trained rabbis, any substantial percentage of the peasants, farmers, fishermen, laborers in Galilee were literate.
Even if they had been taught to read parts of the Torah as children, that doesn't mean they could write in literate Greek or Aramaic. Writing is a different skill set than reading
IBDaMann
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Who was the one that insisted that "not a book" is a book? Answer: it was the total moron!
Remember, it takes you two weeks of study and an hour of preparation to muster a mere "fuck you." I'd hate to think of how much of your life you'd have to put on hold to actually add value to a conversation.
BidenPresident
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You are extremely stupid.
IBDaMann
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The first part comes just from lifting it off the internet, but there isn't any way thereafter for Cypress to support it without claiming omniscience.Uh oh... That means that he'd actually have to take a stand on something and be able to support his position...
IBDaMann
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Who was the one that insisted that "not a book" is a book? Answer: it was the total moron!
Remember, it takes you two weeks of study and an hour of preparation to muster a mere "fuck you." I'd hate to think of how much of your life you'd have to put on hold to actually add value to a conversation.
BidenPresident
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You are extremely stupid.
IBDaMann
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You never learned tenses in English grammar, I see.
Yes, there is a past tense. Once the past happens, the outcome is fixed and no longer subject to probabilities. I'm sorry but you can't get around that. Probabilities only apply to future events. Once they occur, the probabilities no longer apply.
Pro Tip: Don't attempt to discuss quantum mechanics until you wrap your head around what I just explained to you.
Ergo, you will be wrong every time you pretend to claim that your speculation of the unobserved past, based on your declaration of irrelevant probabilities, is somehow "knowledge."
How does this empower you to declare specific individuals of the unobserved past to be illiterate?
The demographics of Jesus' disciples is well speculated, often by irrelevant probability fallacies.
Talk to me about Peter. Tell me how you know that his parents didn't have him learn Greek in school, or how you know that his parents didn't speak Greek at home.
They weren't known to be illiterate. They were perceived to be ignorant by stupid people. Shall I take it that you don't understand the semantic chasm separating those two statements?
... and in the case in which Peter spoke Greek, your argument is FALSE.
IBDaMann
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Wikipedia is usually incorrect, which is why only the intellectually lazy use it and why all others dismiss Wikipedia references summarily. Get an authoritative source.
The culture of Jesus' day is very similar to that of modern day Afghanistan, where most are illiterate, everything is based on tribalism, the laws are similar, everything is determined by the village elders, and the word for "illiterate" is the normal word for ignorant/stupid. In English, the words "stupid," "moron" and "idiot" no longer carry their original meaning and today merely carry a disrespectful slur.
To the surprise of those who perceived Peter as ignorant, he spoke boldly with the fire of the Holy Spirit. Then, Peter silenced them all with the miracle he performed. The passage speaks to the surprise of mistaken people, not to the illiteracy of Peter.
You did not do well on the SAT. Ask me how I know.
... or his family had a substantial fishing business that he ran.
I think we can be reasonably certain that a wealthy family from Greece would preserve the family traditions.
IBDaMann
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Who was the one that insisted that "not a book" is a book? Answer: it was the total moron!
Remember, it takes you two weeks of study and an hour of preparation to muster a mere "fuck you." I'd hate to think of how much of your life you'd have to put on hold to actually add value to a conversation.
BidenPresident
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You are extremely stupid.
IBDaMann
Well-known member
Who was the one that insisted that "not a book" is a book? Answer: it was the total moron!
Remember, it takes you two weeks of study and an hour of preparation to muster a mere "fuck you." I'd hate to think of how much of your life you'd have to put on hold to actually add value to a conversation.