Israel says they will go it alone against Iran

well Care at least your not a left wing I hate Bush nut case. You do make some points and an effort. You actually try to come up with ideas.

Want some interesting reading. Try jihadwatch.org for info on what islam is about. The muslims hate that site. jihadwatchwatch.org (not sure about the org on this one) is the anti-jihadwatch site.

http://truthlaidbear.com/mideastcrisis.php is an Israeli site with lots of info of what's going on in the area. Has a lot of posters from both sides on it.

Michelle Malkin has a great site too. Completely right wing. There are a ton of linked site at these I mentioned that you can research too.

little green footballs is good.

and read up on the history of islam

islam has never experienced a Reformation, a Magna Carta or a Renosance. They have been stuck in the 7th century and not moved on. This is the mentality we deal with here. And the problem we face is that most of our politicians and most westerners don't realize this.
 
Ummm Care, was'nt it US intelligence what lead us to iraq? Is this not the same US intelligence in this article?

Just an observation....

US intelligence is down playing things now after having stepped in it concerning the war. Of course they weren't expecting the part the russians played, which is another failure of intelligence.

That will teach our intelligence officials not to listen to the other countries intelligence officials. They need to get their own info. It means leaving the party town of Washington but what they hey, they have work to do now.
 
Headline on Drudgereport.

It seems to be working out as I predicted. Israel will open the can of worms and Bush/we will bail them out.

Or rather Israel is desperate to drag the world into the shite, and we will find ourselves in the middle of yet another debacle.

First they use terrorism to combat terrorism and now they are threatening to create a whirlwind in the ME by attacking their neighbours...

If the west weren't such racists this nation would be deemed a rogue state by now....
 
islam has never experienced a Reformation, a Magna Carta or a Renosance. They have been stuck in the 7th century and not moved on. This is the mentality we deal with here. And the problem we face is that most of our politicians and most westerners don't realize this.

Here's a chap who doesn't know many Muslims...

Fundamentalist Islam is certainly stuck in the C7th, just as fundamentalistist Christianity is. There is little difference between them.

Mainstream Islam is also in a similar position to mainstream Christianity. They have rules (moral codes they call it... lol) but aren't excessively repressive.

The problem is that many Islamic nations are poverty-stricken and authoritarian, and this feeds the Islamic fundamentalists. The west is partly to blame for this, it has been our actions that have maintained these repressive regimes.

An example is Saudi Arabia. During FDR's reign the US signed a deal with the regressive House of Saud stating that the US would maintain the House in exchange for continuing access to Arabia's oil supplies. Thus GW1.

Painting the Islamic world as primitive and barbaric, whilst the west is a shining beacon of greatness is also a myth. The west is quite adapt to turning a blind eye to its own barbaric and primitive actions whilst highlighting others.

At the moment, the world is stuck in a catch22 position, stuck between barbaric extremists in the west, barbaric extremists in the Muslim world and barbaric extremists in Israel.

The problem we face is that most of the west doesn't realise this. They have become adapt at ignoring it....
 
islam has never experienced a Reformation, a Magna Carta or a Renosance. They have been stuck in the 7th century and not moved on. This is the mentality we deal with here. And the problem we face is that most of our politicians and most westerners don't realize this.

Here's a chap who doesn't know many Muslims...

Fundamentalist Islam is certainly stuck in the C7th, just as fundamentalistist Christianity is. There is little difference between them.

Mainstream Islam is also in a similar position to mainstream Christianity. They have rules (moral codes they call it... lol) but aren't excessively repressive.

The problem is that many Islamic nations are poverty-stricken and authoritarian, and this feeds the Islamic fundamentalists. The west is partly to blame for this, it has been our actions that have maintained these repressive regimes.

An example is Saudi Arabia. During FDR's reign the US signed a deal with the regressive House of Saud stating that the US would maintain the House in exchange for continuing access to Arabia's oil supplies. Thus GW1.

Painting the Islamic world as primitive and barbaric, whilst the west is a shining beacon of greatness is also a myth. The west is quite adapt to turning a blind eye to its own barbaric and primitive actions whilst highlighting others.

At the moment, the world is stuck in a catch22 position, stuck between barbaric extremists in the west, barbaric extremists in the Muslim world and barbaric extremists in Israel.

The problem we face is that most of the west doesn't realise this. They have become adapt at ignoring it....

Yes I don't know any muslims, I don't want to know them.

As for their being barbaric, name a muslim contribution to technology, science, medicine or anything else for that matter.

Fundimental islam and fundimental christianity are apples and oranges.

You sympathize with the arabs but you hate the jews? is there a reason for this? Are you a british arab?

There will not be democracy in the ME until islam has been taken down. That's the controling factor of the ruling classes there.
 
Yes I don't know any muslims, I don't want to know them.

This says it all....

As for their being barbaric, name a muslim contribution to technology, science, medicine or anything else for that matter.

The telescope, the pendulum, the watch, the mariner's compass, soap, the windmill, the astrolobe, many innovations in mathematics (including creating the number 0), etc etc etc

Fundimental islam and fundimental christianity are apples and oranges.

No, they are exactly the same.

You sympathize with the arabs but you hate the jews? is there a reason for this? Are you a british arab?

?? I don't hate Jews, though it seems you hate Muslims?

No, I'm white British, I'm just not prejudiced and ill-informed.


There will not be democracy in the ME until islam has been taken down. That's the controling factor of the ruling classes there.

Empty rhetoric from an empty head...
 
The telescope, the pendulum, the watch, the mariner's compass, soap, the windmill, the astrolobe, many innovations in mathematics (including creating the number 0), etc etc etc

Okay, the astrolabe was invented by either Hipparchus or Hypatia, not a Muslim.

Hans Lippershey was the man who invented the telescope, also not a Muslim.

The pendulum itself has no attributable inventor, but the many uses for it such as clocks etc are almost invariably attributed to europeans.. I saw not even one muslim name associated with the pendulum.

The watch well, here read it yourself:

http://www.paralumun.com/watchhistory.htm


I can keep going. Can you produce a page that shows that these things were actually attributable to Muslim inventors?
 
Thank you damocles, saves me a lot of trouble.

As I said islam has not contributed anything to world civilization except war and murder. It was developed and used as a means of controlling the population. Its still used for that.

muslims will take and use what is developed in the west, but they don't invent or create anything on their own. You can't be a scientist and be a fundimentalist.
 
Thank you damocles, saves me a lot of trouble.

As I said islam has not contributed anything to world civilization except war and murder. It was developed and used as a means of controlling the population. Its still used for that.

muslims will take and use what is developed in the west, but they don't invent or create anything on their own. You can't be a scientist and be a fundimentalist.

As I said islam has not contributed anything to world civilization except war and murder

You might want to re-enroll in remedial world history.

While europe was living in the theocracy of the dark ages, muslim Arabs were living in an arab goldent-age of mathematics and astronmy. Our numberic system and much of our mathematics were derived from the arabs.

Our european ancestors were pulled out of the dark ages due, in part, to arab science and mathmatics.
 
The islamic people hled on th the ancient knowledge when the europeans had descended into the dark ages. Europeans rediscovered the knowledge that the Islamic people had held onto. As to who discovered what, I dunno. But things would be very different if the Islamic people had not held onto that knowledge for the Europeans to rediscover.
 
1. Legend tells of an Arab goat herder who noticed their change in mood when his goats ate a certain berry. He boiled the berries and came up with the first coffee.

2. The ancient Greeks thought light emitted from the eye (like a laser) causing us to see. It was a Muslim mathematician in the 10th Century that instead realized light entered into the eye. Astronomer and physicist Ibn al-Haitham invented the first pin-hole camera after observing light entering a hole in the shutters. The smaller the hole was, the clearer the image.


3. The game of chess we know today evolved from the players of Persia earlier than the 10th century. The rook comes from the Persian word rukh, meaning chariot.

4. The "first in flight" may not have been Wright. A thousand years before Kitty Hawk, Muslim poet, astronomer, musician and engineer Abbas ibn Firnas, made several attempts to construct a machine that would fly. First in 852, he used cloth stretched by wooden struts inventing what is thought to be the first parachute. At the age of 70, a machine of silk and eagle feathers held him aloft for 10 minutes after he leaped from a cliff. Baghdad airport is named after him.

5. It was Islamic ritual to bath and wash during times in Europe when bathing was considered bad for your health. Arabs originated the general recipe for soap we still use today: vegetable oils with sodium hydroxide and aromatic oils such as orange or thyme. England saw its first shampoo thanks to a Muslim.

6. Around the year 800, alchemy was converted into chemistry by Islam's foremost scientist, Jabir ibn Hayyan. He invented many of the basic procedures and equipment still in use today - distillation, evaporation, crystallisation, purification, filtration and oxidisation. He discovered sulphuric and nitric acid. He invented the alembic still, for the creation of perfumes and alcoholic spirits. Ibn Hayyan was the founder of modern chemistry and a forerunner of the scientific method.

7. The crank-shaft, one of the most critical mechanical inventions of all time, central to the automobile engine, was created by an ingenious Muslim engineer called al-Jazari. His device could elevate water for irrigation around the year 1200. His Book of Knowledge of Ingenious Mechanical Devices documents his inventive uses for valves and pistons, mechanical clocks and the first-ever combination lock. He is called the father of robotics.

8. The process of quilting was introduced to Europe after Crusaders saw Muslim warriors wearing dual-layer shirts with layers of straw in between. The quilted shirts were an effective form of protection in battle as well as a form of insulation. It helped the Crusaders avoid the chafing resulting from their metal armour. Quilting became a cottage industry in the colder climates such as Britain and Holland.

9. The pointed arch of European Gothic cathedral fame was borrowed from Islamic architecture. It was superior to the rounded arch used by the Romans and Normans, and allowed for much grander buildings. Other inventions by Muslims included ribbed vaulting, dome-building techniques and rose windows. Muslim genius was also behind the building of Europe's castles with their "arrow slits, battlements, a barbican and parapets". The square towers and keeps of Europe proved to be inferior to the more easily defended round ones. "Henry V's castle architect was a Muslim."

10. The 10th century Muslim surgeon called al-Zahrawi designed many of our modern surgical instruments still in use today: scalpels, bone saws, forceps, and fine scissors for eye surgery. He established by accident that catgut used for internal stitches dissolves away naturally (his monkey ate his lute strings!) and determined it can also be used to encase capsules of medicine. In the 13th century, 300 years before William Harvey's assertions, another Muslim doctor named Ibn Nafis charted the circulation of the blood. We have Muslim doctors also to thank for inventing anaesthetics of opium and alcohol mixes and hollow needles to extract from the eye cataracts, which is a technique still in use today.

11. Each year, when the Arabian desert dried up, the only way for the people to survive was to perform the backbreaking tasks of drawing water and grinding grain by hand. In 634, a clever Muslim inventor built the first windmill, which tapped on the only source of energy the desert could offer - a wind which blew steadily for months at a time. The first windmills had six or twelve sails covered in fabric or palm leaves. They provided power to draw water for irrigation, and turn mill stones for grinding corn. Europe wouldn't see its first windmill for another 500 years.

12. The technique of inoculation, the introduction of a pathogen into a living organism to stimulate the production of antibodies, "was not invented by Pasteur" but originated in the Muslim world and was introduced to the European world by an English ambassador's wife by way of Istanbul in 1724. "Children in Turkey were vaccinated with cowpox to fight the deadly smallpox at least 50 years before the West discovered it".

13. In 953, the Sultan of Egypt asked for a pen that would not leak all over his clothes and hands. The fountain pen was invented in which the ink would be held in a reservoir and be delivered to the paper (or papyrus) by gravity.

14. The style of our numerals (in the west) is Arabic and first appeared in print in the work of Muslim mathematicians around 825. From the Muslim world came algorithms and much of the theory of trigonometry, the word algebra and some of its principles. Modern cryptology owes its basis and discovery of frequency analysis to Al-Kindi. The achievements of Muslim math scholars were imported into Europe 300 years later by the Italian mathematician Fibonacci.

15. The concept of the three-course meal - "soup, followed by fish or meat, then fruit and nuts" was brought to Cordoba in the 9th century from Iraq, Ali ibn Nafi (also known as Ziryab - Blackbird). He also introduced crystal glasses, invented by a Muslim after experiments with rock crystal.

16. Thanks to the advanced medieval weaving techniques in the Muslim world, new dyes from Islamic chemistry and a developed sense of pattern born of the necessity to design without using images of Mohammad in Islamic art. Europe's floors were unclean and unadorned until Arabian and Persian carpets were introduced.

17. The idea for our modern checking accounts came from the Arab world. To avoid having to transport money across dangerous terrain, a written vow was honored to pay for goods upon delivery. "In the 9th century, a Muslim businessman could cash a check in China drawn on his bank in Baghdad."

18. Ahead in Astronomy: 500 years before Galileo, Muslim scholars accepted that the Earth was a sphere. The astronomer Ibn Hazm in the 9th century said "The Sun is always vertical to a particular spot on Earth", and therein found his proof. He and his colleagues were so accurate in predicting the Earth's circumference that their calculations turned out to be less than 200km off. Al-Idrisi brought a globe to the court of King Roger of Sicily in 1139 spreading the ideas westward.

19. The Chinese invented gunpowder and fireworks, but Arabs first formulated the chemical process that led to its fitness for military battle. Muslim bombs terrified the Crusaders in the 15th century -- both their rockets, and their torpedos that could blow up ships.

20. Medieval Europe only had gardens for food and herbs until the the Arabs spread the notion that gardens could be places for "beauty and meditation" -- the first influence coming to Muslim Spain in the 11th century. Flowers that originated in Muslim gardens include the carnation and the tulip.

http://www.goodnewsnetwork.org/content/view/127/34/
 
That's really funny. did you get that from some islamic groups site like CAIR or something.

When I got down to the arabs invented gunpowder I really lost it.

Too funny.

we have history revisionists here too. They are called liberals.

Didn't go to college, did you? This is common knowledge.

The arabs invented algebra, our numeric system, the decimal system, and other forms of mathematics and science that ultimately aided the europeans to emerge from the theocratic dark ages beginning around the 13th century.
 
That's really funny. did you get that from some islamic groups site like CAIR or something.

When I got down to the arabs invented gunpowder I really lost it.

Too funny.

we have history revisionists here too. They are called liberals.

Ignorant fucker.....

19. The Chinese invented gunpowder and fireworks, but Arabs first formulated the chemical process that led to its fitness for military battle. Muslim bombs terrified the Crusaders in the 15th century -- both their rockets, and their torpedos that could blow up ships.
 
Gaffer, you should either enroll in some college level history classes, or google for yourself.

I suggest the search words: arabs, mathematics, astronomy, and algebra.

Then, to see how Arab mathematical and scientific knowledge spread to europe, and woke it up from the Dark ages, I suggest combining those words, with the word Moors.

You do know who the Moors were, don't you?
 
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