Lies, and More Lies -- PolitiFact's Lie of the Year 2009-2020

AProudLefty said:
That's a lot of words and no single example.
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Excuse me... What's this?

Probably one of the most egregious Politifact lies was they rated as "True" Obama's "You can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan" claims in the run up to passage of Obamacare. Both were and are blatant, repeated, lies of the most egregious sort and provably so.
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AProudLefty said:
What of it? Do you think it's inaccurate? Why? How?
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President Obama’s assurance that “If you like your health plan, you can keep it” was named the “Lie of the Year” on Thursday by PolitiFact, a fact-checking organization spun off of the Tampa Bay Times.
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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/obamas-keep-your-plan-promise-labeled-lie-of-the-year/

That was after Obamacare passed... Quite a change from before it passed hum?

In an interview with Chuck Todd of NBC News on Nov. 7, Obama offered an apology to the many Americans who have been notified that they are, in fact, losing the health plans they previously had and wanted to keep.

"I am sorry that they are finding themselves in this situation based on assurances they got from me," Obama said. "We've got to work hard to make sure that they know we hear them and that we're going to do everything we can to deal with folks who find themselves in a tough position as a consequence of this."
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https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/11/11/fact-check-keeping-your-health-plan/3500187/

Put more bluntly, I lied to you about the keep your doctor and plan thing, but it was with your best interests in mind... Obama was a lying sack of shit on this.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
https://www.cbsnews.com/news/obamas-keep-your-plan-promise-labeled-lie-of-the-year/

That was after Obamacare passed... Quite a change from before it passed hum?


https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2013/11/11/fact-check-keeping-your-health-plan/3500187/

Put more bluntly, I lied to you about the keep your doctor and plan thing, but it was with your best interests in mind... Obama was a lying sack of shit on this.
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She thinks Politifact is bad because she is a righty.https://www.politifact.com/article/2018/feb/12/principles-truth-o-meter-politifacts-methodology-i/ It is not. Trump has over 30,000 lies to choose from.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Man... I usually just ding Politifact when they are used as a source by somebody. What I think is that Fox, OANN, NewsMax, CNN, etc., don't present their stuff with a claim to being accurately able to tell you it's the truth or a lie using something like Politifact's "Truth meter." The fact checking sites do, and there are a number that all do this. But it is really just their opinion like any other op ed outlet. They just add a layer of BS on claiming they are somehow purveyors of truth while those they supposedly fact check are lesser beings.

When you have website like Politifact that has other sites that spend their entire effort demolishing Politifact, there's probably a problem with Politifact...

https://www.politifactbias.com/
https://www.politifactbias.com/p/about-politifact-bias.html

Or this less biased review

https://www.allsides.com/news-source/politifact
https://winteryknight.com/2018/10/1...ct-checkers-is-politifact-reliable-or-biased/

They rightly point out that Politifact is simply the Tampa Bay Times editorial staff making reviews and judgements about what they rate on that site. It is just an op ed site with a different slant.

Probably one of the most egregious Politifact lies was they rated as "True" Obama's "You can keep your doctor, you can keep your plan" claims in the run up to passage of Obamacare. Both were and are blatant, repeated, lies of the most egregious sort and provably so.

Politifact is nothing more than one more opinion piece website run by journalists. They have no singular credibility on judging the truth or falsehood of anything.
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Certainly you recognize there's a difference between a fact-based source and an opinion-based source.

If you want to learn about the Jupiter-Saturn conjunction, would you trust Space.com or Ourhollowearth.com? The difference is not the name but whether they are fact-based, referenced and sourced.

I trust Politifact not because of what they claim, but because of how they back up what they claim.

People give Wiki shit, especially RWers, but Wiki should be considered a jumping off point, not the final stop. It's best to check out the linked references, if any, to see if the article is factual or not.
 
AProudLefty said:
So you think Politifact made a prediction that it will turn out to be a lie?
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I think Politifact biased their facts to claim Obama was truthful until it was so obvious he was a lying sack of shit on this they had no choice but to reverse course and reverse course really hard.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I think Politifact biased their facts to claim Obama was truthful until it was so obvious he was a lying sack of shit on this they had no choice but to reverse course and reverse course really hard.
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And yet it isn't the first time Politifact rated Obama's similar statements. Go figure. Explain.

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2009/aug/11/barack-obama/barack-obama-promises-you-can-keep-your-health-ins/

https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2012/jun/29/barack-obama/barack-obama-says-under-his-health-care-law-those-/
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I think Politifact biased their facts to claim Obama was truthful until it was so obvious he was a lying sack of shit on this they had no choice but to reverse course and reverse course really hard.
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Dude, your own links were conjecture; no factual data presented. They claim a lot of "common knowledge" type evidence like "journalists lean left" (again, no references) then leap to the conclusion "all journalists are lying liberals". It's a bullshit argument. Facts are better.

Example. It's common knowledge that men lie more than women. Okay. Where's the data? There's data linked below, but even so, it's only one source on this particular subject. It's a good reference, but I'd need to see more to be convinced or at least convinced it's to the degree their results show.

On the AOC thread I made a comment about her being a LW example of someone so socially open her brains fell out. Too many RWers are doing the same thing with conspiracy theories.

http://journal.sjdm.org/18/18619a/jdm18619a.html
In this work, I have analyzed gender differences in lying using a dataset of 8,728 distinct observations, collected using the sender-receiver game, in 65 experimental treatments, from 14 research groups. Following previous work and motivated by theoretical considerations, I have distinguished three types of lies: black lies, altruistic white lies, and Pareto white lies. The results show that: (i) males are significantly more likely than females to tell black lies; (ii) males are significantly more likely than females to tell altruistic white lies; (iii) results are inconclusive in the case of Pareto white lies. Furthermore, gender differences in telling altruistic white lies are stronger than gender differences in telling black lies and stronger than gender differences in telling Pareto white lies. (The difference between black lies and Pareto white lies is not quite significant, but the gender effect size for Pareto lies is essentially the same as that for black lies, although the sample size of the former is smaller.)
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I don't have a problem with Politifact foisting its opinion on me or anyone else. I have a problem with Politifact trying to claim that they are objective and accurate in their assessment of said facts presenting themselves as "fact checkers" when they are anything but. That's the lie in what Politifact does.
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That's what you fact-hating fake-news-shouting idjits like to believe, anyways. Enjoy.

PS -- Adam HATES your Tangerine Tyrant. :laugh:
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Certainly you recognize there's a difference between a fact-based source and an opinion-based source.

If you want to learn about the Jupiter-Saturn conjunction, would you trust Space.com or Ourhollowearth.com? The difference is not the name but whether they are fact-based, referenced and sourced.

I trust Politifact not because of what they claim, but because of how they back up what they claim.

People give Wiki shit, especially RWers, but Wiki should be considered a jumping off point, not the final stop. It's best to check out the linked references, if any, to see if the article is factual or not.
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I've come to accept that neither our actual facts nor their "alternative facts" [thank you, meth head Barbie] need be discussed here.

I fucking hate the trumpanzees.

They hate me.

That's what all of the threads are really about from my perspective.

No proposed policies have any value if they're not based on the principle that nobody's "coming together."

That's where we need to be focusing.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
I've come to accept that neither our actual facts nor their "alternative facts" [thank you, meth head Barbie] need be discussed here.

I fucking hate the trumpanzees.

They hate me.

That's what all of the threads are really about from my perspective.

No proposed policies have any value if they're not based on the principle that nobody's "coming together."

That's where we need to be focusing.
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Hate begets hate. A famous man from my generation said that before some asshole shot him.
 
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