Lies, and More Lies -- PolitiFact's Lie of the Year 2009-2020

[Dutch Uncle]

nostalgia, or a bleak technocratic, totalitarian internationalist fascsist future.

Spell Checkers are free.

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

Spell Checkers are free.

good. now let's free humanity.

 

[Althea]

This is anecdote. Most people in the individual market were forced off their plans. The result varied state-to-state.

It now looks like ObamaCare will hurt twice as many people as it helps — because the law isn’t nearly done with canceling people’s insurance.


https://nypost.com/2014/01/14/another-25-million-obamacare-victims/


https://www.rollcall.com/2020/03/10/ten-years-into-obamacare-cost-and-access-issues-abound/


https://www.nbcnews.com/news/world/...ot-keep-their-health-insurance-flna8C11484394

Here in Arizona, Obamacare plans fell to one provider and there were for a period no providers for parts of the state. It's still mostly one offering plans with a second in the most populous two counties (Maricopa and Pima) offering a choice. If you are on Obamacare, in Arizona you get no options as to your plan for the most part. Many in rural areas of the state have to drive as much as 100 + miles to see a doctor on their plan.

As for the last, that wasn't what Obama meant by what he said, and you know it just as I do. He meant if you were going to fall under Obamacare coverage with an individual plan, you could keep your plan and doctor. Every truthful person acknowledges it. I even provide a link showing that.

Your links are worthless. As I stated...Red state governors refused to set up exchanges. If you have one provider, thank Jan Brewer.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

wasn't everything on Politifact a lie this year?....

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Your links are worthless. As I stated...Red state governors refused to set up exchanges. If you have one provider, thank Jan Brewer.

funny....before Obamacare went into effect we had red state governors and plenty of providers.......are you sure that Obamacare going into effect wasn't the problem?.....

 

[Dutch Uncle]

good. now let's free humanity.

Awesome idea. Truly. What's the plan?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Your links are worthless. As I stated...Red state governors refused to set up exchanges. If you have one provider, thank Jan Brewer.

So? Why should they, because the federal government wants them to? Your argument now is one of Argument from fallacy. You assume an post hoc prompter hoc situation then blame those governors for not doing what the feds--really just the Democrats since Obamacare was unilaterally passed by one party with no support from the other--wanted them to do. They are under no such compunction nor is it somehow arguable without supporting proof that these states would be better off having done it (proof of a negative).

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

Awesome idea. Truly. What's the plan?

step one is raising awareness of the dangers of technocratic internationalist fascism, and state capture.

u ready to help?

 

[Althea]

So? Why should they, because the federal government wants them to? Your argument now is one of Argument from fallacy. You assume an post hoc prompter hoc situation then blame those governors for not doing what the feds--really just the Democrats since Obamacare was unilaterally passed by one party with no support from the other--wanted them to do. They are under no such compunction nor is it somehow arguable without supporting proof that these states would be better off having done it (proof of a negative).

All well and good. Your governor screwed you. Not the ACA. Stop blaming everyone but Brewer (in your case. You aren't alone)

Our exchange was great. Just imagine if your governor didn't play politics with your health?

 

[T. A. Gardner]

All well and good. Your governor screwed you. Not the ACA. Stop blaming everyone but Brewer (in your case. You aren't alone)

Our exchange was great. Just imagine if your governor didn't play politics with your health?

No, she didn't. She didn't saddle the state with a huge new expense of expanded Medicaid. That has been the major expense of the whole Obamacare program. The problem with the marketplace in Arizona is the nature of the state. Two counties had a large urban area, Maricopa (metro Phoenix) and Pima (Tucson). The rest of the state is sparsely populated. That created a problem with policies issued in the rural counties not being cost effective due to their low numbers. Overall, Arizona is about middle of the pack on costs.
The states with the highest cost plans are all low population ones as well.

 

[Althea]

No, she didn't. She didn't saddle the state with a huge new expense of expanded Medicaid. That has been the major expense of the whole Obamacare program. The problem with the marketplace in Arizona is the nature of the state. Two counties had a large urban area, Maricopa (metro Phoenix) and Pima (Tucson). The rest of the state is sparsely populated. That created a problem with policies issued in the rural counties not being cost effective due to their low numbers. Overall, Arizona is about middle of the pack on costs.
The states with the highest cost plans are all low population ones as well.

Medicaid expansion was not a factor in setting up an exchange. Insurers either opted to go to a state, or they didn't. States that didn't set up exchanges had to settle for what they eventually got. It doesn't matter what the risk demographic is from county to county. An insurer enters state or it doesn't. It does well w/respect to premiums in the urban areas, and perhaps not so well in the rural areas. Claims might be better in rural areas, though.

Another factor is the number of providers in rural areas, but that shouldn't affect premiums.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Medicaid expansion was not a factor in setting up an exchange. Insurers either opted to go to a state, or they didn't. States that didn't set up exchanges had to settle for what they eventually got. It doesn't matter what the risk demographic is from county to county. An insurer enters state or it doesn't. It does well w/respect to premiums in the urban areas, and perhaps not so well in the rural areas. Claims might be better in rural areas, though.

Another factor is the number of providers in rural areas, but that shouldn't affect premiums.

About 17 million fewer people are in individual market plans than expected. Altogether, we are now spending $50 billion a year to subsidize coverage in this market, and total net enrollment is up by just 3 million — a staggering $17,000 cost to taxpayers per new enrollee.

The fiscal cost of Medicaid expansion likely exceeded $70 billion in 2019. The expansion increased the number of services provided to recipients and generally boosted financial protection, but also led to an increase in unnecessary emergency department use. The impact on the health of enrollees is less clear.

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/ten-years-of-obamacare-aka-the-medicaid-expansion-act

An important 2015 study showed that Medicaid expansion enrollees obtain low value through the program. Moreover, an increasing amount of spending on the program is lost to waste, fraud, and abuse. The Wall Street Journal highlighted a new government report showing that improper Medicaid spending exploded between 2013 and 2016. Improper payments amounted to about $67 billion in 2016, a $41 billion increase from the estimated $26 billion in 2013.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapo...-of-spending-of-little-value/?sh=356b0bd97a32

And in March, the Congressional Budget Office increased its 10-year cost projection for ObamaCare's Medicaid expansion by $136 billion.
Up until now, these overruns didn't matter to the states, since the federal government was picking up the bill.
But starting January, states have to pony up 5% of the cost for all those newly eligible Medicaid enrollees. (The state share gradually increases to 10%.)

As a result, states that expanded Medicaid will see their own Medicaid costs climb almost 6% next year, compared with 4% for states that didn't expand Medicaid, according to the Kaiser Family Foundation.
So where will the money come from? Kaiser says eight of the expansion states are slapping new taxes and fees on providers to cover costs. Other states, the report says, will use "general funds."
In other words, states that expanded Medicaid will either have to boost health costs, raise taxes or cut spending to cover this ObamaCare "freebie." Given that Medicaid is already swamping state budgets, this will not be good news.

https://www.investors.com/politics/...h-cost-of-obamacares-free-medicaid-expansion/

So, states that expanded Medicare / Medicaid are about to be hit with a huge new tax burden as the federal subsidies for this program disappear. Will the Democrats try and push for another huge spending bill to bail those states out one more time? Or will those states be forced to either abandon the program or raise taxes on their residents substantially?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

step one is raising awareness of the dangers of technocratic internationalist fascism, and state capture.

u ready to help?

Spreading hate and anger isn't just "raising awareness". It's still spreading hate and anger.

You throw out the buzzwords, but you don't define or explain them. What do you seek to change, specifically? Barter system only? No capitalism? Socialism at the village level? No armies? Magical money for everyone? Live off the land in a cabin just like this one?:

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

All well and good. Your governor screwed you. Not the ACA. Stop blaming everyone but Brewer (in your case. You aren't alone)

Our exchange was great. Just imagine if your governor didn't play politics with your health?

According to some in our state, Michigan, our governor is right up there next to Hitler because of the public health measures taken since this all began. Our former state, Missouri, declined to join the exchanges. Makes me wonder how many of the thousands of deaths that can be attributed to that.

 

[Althea]

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/opinion/ten-years-of-obamacare-aka-the-medicaid-expansion-act


https://www.forbes.com/sites/theapo...-of-spending-of-little-value/?sh=356b0bd97a32


https://www.investors.com/politics/...h-cost-of-obamacares-free-medicaid-expansion/

So, states that expanded Medicare / Medicaid are about to be hit with a huge new tax burden as the federal subsidies for this program disappear. Will the Democrats try and push for another huge spending bill to bail those states out one more time? Or will those states be forced to either abandon the program or raise taxes on their residents substantially?

The issue is the ACA, and how you had a crappy exchange.

 

[Althea]

According to some in our state, Michigan, our governor is right up there next to Hitler because of the public health measures taken since this all began. Our former state, Missouri, declined to join the exchanges. Makes me wonder how many of the thousands of deaths that can be attributed to that.

Ironically, states like Kentucky have a decent exchange, and people love it. But only if it's referred to as ACA, and not Obamacare.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

According to some in our state, Michigan, our governor is right up there next to Hitler because of the public health measures taken since this all began. Our former state, Missouri, declined to join the exchanges. Makes me wonder how many of the thousands of deaths that can be attributed to that.

Some meaning the Michigan Paintball Club?

If a single person was killed by in intruder because the Democrats took away their self-defense firearms, I have not doubt the MPC's would be bitching up a storm, yet they can't understand the necessity of temporary public health measures? WTF?

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

Spreading hate and anger isn't just "raising awareness". It's still spreading hate and anger.

You throw out the buzzwords, but you don't define or explain them. What do you seek to change, specifically? Barter system only? No capitalism? Socialism at the village level? No armies? Magical money for everyone? Live off the land in a cabin just like this one?:

being against globalist stupidity isn't hate, fucksnot.

step one is still raising awareness, rimjob king.

 

[Truck Fump / h1b]

Some meaning the Michigan Paintball Club?

If a single person was killed by in intruder because the Democrats took away their self-defense firearms, I have not doubt the MPC's would be bitching up a storm, yet they can't understand the necessity of temporary public health measures? WTF?

you're such a feeble-minded imbecile, king simp rimjob champion.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Some meaning the Michigan Paintball Club?

If a single person was killed by in intruder because the Democrats took away their self-defense firearms, I have not doubt the MPC's would be bitching up a storm, yet they can't understand the necessity of temporary public health measures? WTF?

Indeed!