MAGA logic

Dutch Uncle said:
Counties too. Agreed on the reasoning about differing state laws, prosecutors, LEOs, legislators, etc. There's also other factors driving violent crime such as poverty, unemployment, drugs, etc.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/homicide_mortality/homicide.htm

https://hotcore.info/babki/violent-crime-map.htm
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Poverty, unemployment, and drugs are relatively constant factors whether crime is increasing or decreasing.

Studies have found it difficult to explain the drop in crime starting in the early 1990s. One (tentatively) concluded it was the higher level of incarceration. Freakonomics said it was abortion which reduced the number of crime prone teens. He does a good job of showing why other factors do not explain it.

My main point is that the party affiliation of the governor (or state legislature) do not explain the differences in crime rate.
 
Flash said:
Poverty, unemployment, and drugs are relatively constant factors whether crime is increasing or decreasing.

Studies have found it difficult to explain the drop in crime starting in the early 1990s. One (tentatively) concluded it was the higher level of incarceration. Freakonomics said it was abortion which reduced the number of crime prone teens. He does a good job of showing why other factors do not explain it.

My main point is that the party affiliation of the governor (or state legislature) do not explain the differences in crime rate.
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My main point was agreeing that it's a complex problem with complex variables. Only the simple-minded look for simple solutions to social problems affecting 330 million Americans.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
dude, do you really think that refusing to even charge people with shoplifting, that releasing people who have committed violent assault without bond, that letting people enter the country claiming asylum and releasing them telling them that sometime in the next five to ten years they will have a hearing to see if they are eligible will have no effect on societal trends?........government may not usually be responsible, but irresponsible government certainly is........
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Then it should show up on in their violent crime rate. The violent crime rate does not really vary by political party.

States with Republican governors like TX, AZ, OK, AL, TN, AR, MO, SD, and SC have a higher violent crime rate than states with Democratic governors like CA, NY, IL, PA, MA, and NJ.
 
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PostmodernProphet said:
then why the fuck did you insert "governor" into the debate?......
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Because I said murder should be analyzed by state since it comes under state laws and state courts.

And, if we analyze by state, states are governed by governors; thus, governors is part of the debate.
 
Flash said:
Then it should show up on in their violent crime rate. The violent crime rate does not really vary by political party.

States with Republican governors like TX, AZ, OK, AL, TN, AR, MO, SD, and SC have a higher violent crime rate than states with Democratic governors like CA, NY, IL, PA, MA, and NJ.
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we all know the crime is in the blue cities soft on crime......someone here recently admitted it wasn't the governor's fault......I want to say it was you but since your arguments are all so forgetable I can't be sure......
 
PostmodernProphet said:
we all know the crime is in the blue cities soft on crime......someone here recently admitted it wasn't the governor's fault......I want to say it was you but since your arguments are all so forgetable I can't be sure......
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Crime is more prevalent in all large cities regardless of party (see Tulsa). Some large cities have non-partisan elections with no party labels--Houston, Dallas, Austin, San Diego, San Jose, Columbus, Milwaukee.

Nobody "admitted" it wasn't the governor's fault (me), I just stated that political party is not a factor in the crime rate of states.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
lol.....until you said it did.....#284.....
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Nope. Slow down and read carefully. I said just the opposite. I listed those states to challenge your claim that blue states have more crime.

"Then it should show up on in their violent crime rate. The violent crime rate does not really vary by political party.
States with Republican governors like TX, AZ, OK, AL, TN, AR, MO, SD, and SC have a higher violent crime rate than states with Democratic governors like CA, NY, IL, PA, MA, and NJ."
 
Flash said:
Nope. Slow down and read carefully. I said just the opposite. I listed those states to challenge your claim that blue states have more crime.

"Then it should show up on in their violent crime rate. The violent crime rate does not really vary by political party.
States with Republican governors like TX, AZ, OK, AL, TN, AR, MO, SD, and SC have a higher violent crime rate than states with Democratic governors like CA, NY, IL, PA, MA, and NJ."
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you just contradicted yourself again......strange...
 
PostmodernProphet said:
you just contradicted yourself again......strange...
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I did not contradict myself. I just gave a few examples to demonstrate blue states do not necessarily have a higher violent crime rate to refute your claim. I can also give some examples to show higher rates in blue states. The overall conclusion is that there is not a correlation between party control and violent crime rate.

Some of the factors that are correlated are population density in the Northeast but not the Pacific area. Some try to attribute everything to partisan explanations because is it simpler to do.
 
Flash said:
I did not contradict myself. I just gave a few examples to demonstrate blue states do not necessarily have a higher violent crime rate to refute your claim. I can also give some examples to show higher rates in blue states. The overall conclusion is that there is not a correlation between party control and violent crime rate.

Some of the factors that are correlated are population density in the Northeast but not the Pacific area. Some try to attribute everything to partisan explanations because is it simpler to do.
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Agreed.

You're being trolled by a Satanist.
 
Flash said:
I just gave a few examples to demonstrate blue states do not necessarily have a higher violent crime rate to refute your claim
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and yet that was never my claim.......I said blue city mayors and councilmen and prosecutors are soft on crime........that is directly attributable to partisan politics and you've done nothing except underline that is true by trying to shift the responsibility to red governors even while admitting its a local issue rather than a state issue......
 
Flash said:
I did not contradict myself. I just gave a few examples to demonstrate blue states do not necessarily have a higher violent crime rate to refute your claim. I can also give some examples to show higher rates in blue states. The overall conclusion is that there is not a correlation between party control and violent crime rate.

Some of the factors that are correlated are population density in the Northeast but not the Pacific area. Some try to attribute everything to partisan explanations because is it simpler to do.
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they are softer on crime, like pmp said.

see the soros district attorney story.
 
PostmodernProphet said:
and yet that was never my claim.......I said blue city mayors and councilmen and prosecutors are soft on crime........that is directly attributable to partisan politics and you've done nothing except underline that is true by trying to shift the responsibility to red governors even while admitting its a local issue rather than a state issue......
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Prosecutors for serious crimes work for the state, not the city. Most mayors have little to do with crime.
 
Flash said:
Prosecutors for serious crimes work for the state, not the city. Most mayors have little to do with crime.
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the LA prosecutor who doesn't prosecute was elected by the citizens of LA.......the same is true of all the rest of them, elected by the people who live in the city or county where they are supposed to do their job......mayors are the executive arm of local government, along with the city council.........they hire the police chiefs, handle the budgets that defund the police, set the policies, create the sanctuary cities......crime is NOT a state issue.......it is a local issue.......
 
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