Masks don't prevent transmission of Viruses

[Evmetro]

After spending the 10 minutes to look at the studies that Rancourt claims say something that they don't, I did a little research on him. Rancourt is a piece of work, fired from his teaching position, sued for defamation and lost.

But it also led me to this lengthy rebuttal of his piece which tears apart Rancourt's argument point by point.

https://davidkylejohnson.wordpress....enis-rancourts-argument-that-masks-dont-work/

I read the article that you posted. The author did a lot of damage to the credibility of his article by spending the first few minutes of my time doing a political hit on Rancourt, which of course shows that the content of this "scientific" article is EXTREMELY influenced by his political bias and hatred for Rancourt. This id very bad news for interpreting science.

The biggest problem with the hit piece that you posted is that it simply does not state or prove that masks "stop the transmission of viruses" like Rancourt's article states. In fact, the hit piece states in his mask presentation that "So, if you are in a room with a non-masked infected person, you are pretty likely to be infected even if you are wearing a cloth mask". At best, he conflated "stopping viruses" with "helping reduce" transmission. Nowhere does he say that masks do in fact stop transmission of viruses. He actually gave Rancourt's article more credibility when he spilled the beans about how hard it is to stop the virus after droplets evaporate and the tiny droplet nuclei goes floating off.

 

[Evmetro]

Perhaps you are unfamiliar with how the English language and scientific conclusions work.

"Face mask use in health care workers has not been demonstrated to provide benefit in terms of cold symptoms or getting colds. A larger study is needed to definitively establish noninferiority of no mask use." is not the same thing as
"all show that masks and respirators do not work to prevent respiratory influenza-like illnesses"

The study concludes it can't say that masks and respirators do not work to prevent cold but instead the only way to reach such a conclusion is a larger study.

I would agree that the conclusion states that a bigger study needs to be done, but it certainly does not demonstrate that masks "stops viruses" either. Rancourt's article is claiming that masks don't stop viruses.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I would agree that the conclusion states that a bigger study needs to be done, but it certainly does not demonstrate that masks "stops viruses" either. Rancourt's article is claiming that masks don't stop viruses.

Thanks for confessing that the data is incomplete and your thread title is a lie.

 

[Evmetro]

Thanks for confessing that the data is incomplete and your thread title is a lie.

Are you wanting to deceptively or ignorantly attribute my comment on the conclusion to that particular study to the title of Rancourt's article? Poor Richard is making a far better run at this than you are.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Are you wanting to deceptively or ignorantly attribute my comment on the conclusion to that particular study to the title of Rancourt's article? Poor Richard is making a far better run at this than you are.

The liar in this conversation is the person who claims masks don't work but agrees the studies about them need more study to be conclusive.

 

[Evmetro]

The liar in this conversation is the person who claims masks don't work but agrees the studies about them need more study to be conclusive.

If you have to misrepresent my words by conflating "I agree that the conclusion states" with "I agree that the studies about masks need more study to be conclusive", then you have nothing. Fucking with the context of my comments is juvenile lefty behavior that only hurts how lefties look in this world. Do you still not have any disputes from the article to post here? Poor Richard posted a cheat sheet for lefties to use if you can't find anything to dispute on your own, but of course it is very flawed and won't get you anywhere.

Why not just read over the article and look for something that you could legitimately dispute, without having to fuck with context or misrepresent? Find it on your own, post it here, dismantle the logic of it, and replace it with your own superior logic?

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

I read the article that you posted. The author did a lot of damage to the credibility of his article by spending the first few minutes of my time doing a political hit on Rancourt, which of course shows that the content of this "scientific" article is EXTREMELY influenced by his political bias and hatred for Rancourt. This id very bad news for interpreting science.

The biggest problem with the hit piece that you posted is that it simply does not state or prove that masks "stop the transmission of viruses" like Rancourt's article states. In fact, the hit piece states in his mask presentation that "So, if you are in a room with a non-masked infected person, you are pretty likely to be infected even if you are wearing a cloth mask". At best, he conflated "stopping viruses" with "helping reduce" transmission. Nowhere does he say that masks do in fact stop transmission of viruses. He actually gave Rancourt's article more credibility when he spilled the beans about how hard it is to stop the virus after droplets evaporate and the tiny droplet nuclei goes floating off.

And you have failed to address the elephant in the room which is how Rancourt repeatedly misrepresented what the studies said.
How does a study that concludes that surgical masks are as effective as N95 masks support the conclusion that masks don't stop viruses? The correct answer would be it doesn't. And when you read that study further it goes on to say that the masks cause an 80% reduction in risk of contracting SARS. If masks don't stop viruses how can there be a reduction in risk?

Frankly you are as full of shit as Rancourt on this subject.

 

[Evmetro]

And you have failed to address the elephant in the room which is how Rancourt repeatedly misrepresented what the studies said.
How does a study that concludes that surgical masks are as effective as N95 masks support the conclusion that masks don't stop viruses? The correct answer would be it doesn't. And when you read that study further it goes on to say that the masks cause an 80% reduction in risk of contracting SARS. If masks don't stop viruses how can there be a reduction in risk?

Frankly you are as full of shit as Rancourt on this subject.

Which of the studies that Rancourt presented claimed that masks "stop" the transmission of viruses? Surely if masks stop viruses, whatever studies are done would indicate that masks do in fact stop viruses, right? The more studies that are done on masks and viruses that do not demonstrate that mask stop viruses, the stronger Rancourt's claim is.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

If you have to misrepresent my words by conflating "I agree that the conclusion states" with "I agree that the studies about masks need more study to be conclusive", then you have nothing. Fucking with the context of my comments is juvenile lefty behavior that only hurts how lefties look in this world....

Dude, if you're as smart as you believe yourself to be then you understand the difference between declaring "Masks don't prevent transmission of viruses" and admitting it needs more study. One is a declaration of finality, the other one admits it is still being studied. Which is it with you?

As for your silly accusation, everyone on this forum is used to your juvenile behavior in posts like this

...so thanks for that endorsement.

and

...Thanks for that strong endorsement of the article.

 

[Nordberg]

There have been plenty of studies showing masks work. There are lab studies and studies performed at hospitals by accumulating real world data. Other countries have done them. And the mathematical data comparing what the results are where masks are used and not used make it clear. Evmerto is defiant once he grasps on to something absolutely wrong. This is merely the most recent example. Rightys reject science and substitute belief.

 

[Evmetro]

There have been plenty of studies showing masks work. There are lab studies and studies performed at hospitals by accumulating real world data. Other countries have done them. And the mathematical data comparing what the results are where masks are used and not used make it clear. Evmerto is defiant once he grasps on to something absolutely wrong. This is merely the most recent example. Rightys reject science and substitute belief.

Only one lefty has disputed anything from the article so far, poor Richard. He actually demonstrated that he read and understood the opening post, posted a dispute from the article like the opening post asks here on this thread, and even recognized that it was Rancourt's article that states mask don't stop viruses, not me. Wow, that is a lot of comprehension for a lefty! Also one lefty has posted something he agrees with from the article, Dutch uncle. Other than poor Richard, no lefty has disputed anything from the article, which means lefties endorse the article.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Which of the studies that Rancourt presented claimed that masks "stop" the transmission of viruses? Surely if masks stop viruses, whatever studies are done would indicate that masks do in fact stop viruses, right? The more studies that are done on masks and viruses that do not demonstrate that mask stop viruses, the stronger Rancourt's claim is.

Are you completely incapable of reading?

Let me make it big for you..

the masks cause an 80% reduction in risk of contracting SARS.
The ONLY way they could reduce the risk is if they stop viruses. There is no other explanation unless you want to claim that they scare the viruses into running away.

 

[Yakuda]

Are you completely incapable of reading?

Let me make it big for you..

the masks cause an 80% reduction in risk of contracting SARS.
The ONLY way they could reduce the risk is if they stop viruses. There is no other explanation unless you want to claim that they scare the viruses into running away.

So should a person who has SARS wear a mask or should somone who doesn't want to get SARS wear a mask?

 

[Evmetro]

Are you completely incapable of reading?

Let me make it big for you..

the masks cause an 80% reduction in risk of contracting SARS.
The ONLY way they could reduce the risk is if they stop viruses. There is no other explanation unless you want to claim that they scare the viruses into running away.

Partial reduction of risk is not stopping a virus, no matter how big you make the font.

 

[Evmetro]

Poof

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Partial reduction of risk is not stopping a virus, no matter how big you make the font.

Actually it is stopping the virus. It stops 95-99.97% of the viruses that come in contact with the mask.

The biggest risk of infection when wearing a mask is not when wearing the mask, it is not using the proper procedure when donning and doffing the mask. The fact that the mask is not 100% effective is usually not the fault of the mask but rather the fault of the wearer.

 

[Evmetro]

Actually it is stopping the virus. It stops 95-99.97% of the viruses that come in contact with the mask.

The biggest risk of infection when wearing a mask is not when wearing the mask, it is not using the proper procedure when donning and doffing the mask. The fact that the mask is not 100% effective is usually not the fault of the mask but rather the fault of the wearer.

Adjusting percentages doesn't stop viruses either. I know how to wear masks, I have been respirator trained and fitted for decades.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Adjusting percentages doesn't stop viruses either. I know how to wear masks, I have been respirator trained and fitted for decades.

If any of that were true, then you know your own argument against masks helping prevent transmission of disease is bullshit.

 

[Evmetro]

If any of that were true, then you know your own argument against masks helping prevent transmission of disease is bullshit.

Please quote which argument of mine in regard to masks you are referring to. It sounds like you are inventing an argument of mine that I did not make.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Please quote which argument of mine in regard to masks you are referring to. It sounds like you are inventing an argument of mine that I did not make.

The OP. If not, then what are you trying to say?

The science is conclusive, here is the article:

https://www.sott.net/article/434796...rators-do-NOT-Prevent-Transmission-of-Viruses

Lots of science, check it out. For those who want to claim the article is flawed, be sure to copy n paste the error here where we can see it.