Masks don't prevent transmission of Viruses

[Evmetro]

The OP. If not, then what are you trying to say?

You referred to my argument "against masks helping prevent transmission of disease". I dont recall ever making any such argument.

If any of that were true, then you know your own argument against masks helping prevent transmission of disease is bullshit.

The opening post and thread title both reflect the title of an article titled "The Science is Conclusive: Masks and Respirators do NOT Prevent Transmission of Viruses." There is nothing about "helping prevent", in the title of that article, see the all caps word in the actual article title.

 

[rjhenn]

Corona is showing long term effects on health of people who got over it. The lung damage is well known, but other organs are showing damage. There is also brain damage and thinking problems.https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases...s can sometimes,completely within a few weeks.

So if a milder form of COVID was widespread in 2016, the brain damage would help explain Trump's election.

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[Dutch Uncle]

You referred to my argument "against masks helping prevent transmission of disease". I dont recall ever making any such argument.


The opening post and thread title both reflect the title of an article titled "The Science is Conclusive: Masks and Respirators do NOT Prevent Transmission of Viruses." There is nothing about "helping prevent", in the title of that article, see the all caps word in the actual article title.

Of course you don't. Not even when it quoted back to you.

 

[rjhenn]

Not only has no lefty been able to quote any disputes with the article that the thread is about, but one lefty actually quoted something from the article that he endorses. Dutch Uncle completely agreed with the entire content of the article and even quoted a inconclusive but nice subjective tidbit that fits lefty agenda.

Actually, dumbass, Dutch was quoting a completely different article from an actual professional journal that came to the opposite conclusion from your fake article.

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[Evmetro]

Of course you don't. Not even when it quoted back to you.

Go ahead and quote this argument of mine where I argue "against masks helping prevent transmission of disease"., so I can see what you are talking about. I only saw where you quoted my opening post, which did not contain the my alleged argument "against masks helping prevent transmission of disease".

 

[rjhenn]

If I didnt want to see what you post I'd use ignore. I enjoy reading your posts, and I enjoyed reading that you were actually commenting on an article that you really did read. It put you in a much higher category of lefties, since most lefties are unable to go any deeper than debating the title of the article. I also enjoyed how you posted zero disputes of the article, only endorsements. You obviously wanted me to see that you only have endorsements, or you would have posted something else, maybe some disputes.

It's exceedingly clear that you didn't read past the title of the article you posted.

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[rjhenn]

Are you wanting to deceptively or ignorantly attribute my comment on the conclusion to that particular study to the title of Rancourt's article? Poor Richard is making a far better run at this than you are.

Everything you post is deceptive and ignorant.

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[Evmetro]

Of course you don't. Not even when it quoted back to you.

Your attempt to engineer a quote of me saying something that I did not is yet another example of how lefties are constantly engaged in scamming, lying, cheating, or corruption. Lefties can't help doing this.

 

[rjhenn]

Only one lefty has disputed anything from the article so far, poor Richard. He actually demonstrated that he read and understood the opening post, posted a dispute from the article like the opening post asks here on this thread, and even recognized that it was Rancourt's article that states mask don't stop viruses, not me. Wow, that is a lot of comprehension for a lefty! Also one lefty has posted something he agrees with from the article, Dutch uncle. Other than poor Richard, no lefty has disputed anything from the article, which means lefties endorse the article.

You are clearly, and as always, looking for endorsement of how smart and wonderful you are. And, as always, all you are doing is proving just the opposite. Masks don't stop viruses, but they do fulfill their intended purpose, which is to reduce the spread of viruses.

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[rjhenn]

You referred to my argument "against masks helping prevent transmission of disease". I dont recall ever making any such argument.


The opening post and thread title both reflect the title of an article titled "The Science is Conclusive: Masks and Respirators do NOT Prevent Transmission of Viruses." There is nothing about "helping prevent", in the title of that article, see the all caps word in the actual article title.

Your usual BS. You are clearly making the argument that we shouldn't use masks at all because they are not 100% effective. Otherwise, what's the point of this topic?

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[rjhenn]

Your attempt to engineer a quote of me saying something that I did not is yet another example of how lefties are constantly engaged in scamming, lying, cheating, or corruption. Lefties can't help doing this.

"scamming, lying, cheating, or corruption" are right-wing basics. The right would have ceased to exist long ago without them. You champion them yourself.

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[Into the Night]

The science is conclusive, here is the article:

https://www.sott.net/article/434796...rators-do-NOT-Prevent-Transmission-of-Viruses

Lots of science, check it out. For those who want to claim the article is flawed, be sure to copy n paste the error here where we can see it.

No science at all. There is no theory of science presented in this article. The evidence presented in the article, however, is very well laid out.
It goes to reinforce the N95 specification, which in and of itself shows that masks will not stop a virus.

Science is a set of falsifiable theories. It is not a research or a study. It is not a paper. It is not a book or university or government institution. It is not a degree, license, or title. It is not even scientists. It is not people at all. It is just the falsifiable theories themselves.
What is being discussed here is a research study and the engineering specifications for the N95 mask. Be aware that a study is not a proof. Science itself has no proofs. It is an open functional system. No proof is possible under such a system. Proofs only exist in closed functional systems such as mathematics or logic.

 

[Into the Night]

Your usual BS. You are clearly making the argument that we shouldn't use masks at all because they are not 100% effective. Otherwise, what's the point of this topic?

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They are not effective at all. They do not stop a virus. Their only use is as a 'good luck' talisman.

 

[Evmetro]

No science at all. There is no theory of science presented in this article. The evidence presented in the article, however, is very well laid out.
It goes to reinforce the N95 specification, which in and of itself shows that masks will not stop a virus.

Science is a set of falsifiable theories. It is not a research or a study. It is not a paper. It is not a book or university or government institution. It is not a degree, license, or title. It is not even scientists. It is not people at all. It is just the falsifiable theories themselves.
What is being discussed here is a research study and the engineering specifications for the N95 mask. Be aware that a study is not a proof. Science itself has no proofs. It is an open functional system. No proof is possible under such a system. Proofs only exist in closed functional systems such as mathematics or logic.

This is an excellent description of science. I often just think of science as authority in our current political landscape, but you have described it very well.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Adjusting percentages doesn't stop viruses either. I know how to wear masks, I have been respirator trained and fitted for decades.

Why would you bother to wear a mask since your argument is that masks don't work if they don't stop 100%?

You are using the false dichotomy fallacy here by creating an all or nothing argument where none exists.
Other false dichotomy arguments:
People who wear seatbelts sometimes die so that proves seatbelts dont' save lives
Many 3 year olds have picked up a gun and not shot themselves so that proves 3 year olds should all have guns.

Being respirator trained in an industrial environment is not the same thing as a medical environment. You failed to address my statement that the majority of infections that occur with mask usage occur when donning of doffing the mask.

 

[Evmetro]

Why would you bother to wear a mask since your argument is that masks don't work if they don't stop 100%?

I do not recall arguing that masks don't work if they don't stop 100%. Too much info missing from that argument, too general.

 

[gfm7175]

Why would you bother to wear a mask since your argument is that masks don't work if they don't stop 100%?

I don't wear masks anywhere (except to keep my job and to be able to see the doctor/dentist). But out in public, inside grocery stores and etc, I do not wear one (even though King Evers has mandated mask wearing). The way the mandate is written, it is not enforceable in any practical way, and various police departments across the State have said that they will not physically respond to any calls regarding mask wearing.

You are using the false dichotomy fallacy here by creating an all or nothing argument where none exists.

Not what is being argued.

Other false dichotomy arguments:
People who wear seatbelts sometimes die so that proves seatbelts dont' save lives

No, it just shows that seatbelts are not capable of saving all lives in all situations.

Many 3 year olds have picked up a gun and not shot themselves so that proves 3 year olds should all have guns.

No, it just shows that not all three year olds that have ever touched a gun end up shooting themselves with it.

Being respirator trained in an industrial environment is not the same thing as a medical environment. You failed to address my statement that the majority of infections that occur with mask usage occur when donning of doffing the mask.

Masks do not stop nor prevent the spread of viruses. Viruses go right through the mask pores, you see... It is like trying to stop or prevent the spread of water by using a spaghetti strainer.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

I do not recall arguing that masks don't work if they don't stop 100%. Too much info missing from that argument, too general.

Adjusting percentages doesn't stop viruses either

If something stops 99% of viruses then it does stop viruses. It just doesn't stop all the viruses. So clearly masks stop viruses.

You are arguing that if a team scores 5 touchdowns and then fail to score on the 6th attempt then they didn't score while the score board says they have 35 points.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

I don't wear masks anywhere (except to keep my job and to be able to see the doctor/dentist). But out in public, inside grocery stores and etc, I do not wear one (even though King Evers has mandated mask wearing). The way the mandate is written, it is not enforceable in any practical way, and various police departments across the State have said that they will not physically respond to any calls regarding mask wearing.


Not what is being argued.


No, it just shows that seatbelts are not capable of saving all lives in all situations.


No, it just shows that not all three year olds that have ever touched a gun end up shooting themselves with it.


Masks do not stop nor prevent the spread of viruses. Viruses go right through the mask pores, you see... It is like trying to stop or prevent the spread of water by using a spaghetti strainer.

ROFLMAO.. Way to prove you have no clue what a false dichotomy argument is as you disagree with my 2 examples of what they are.

 

[gfm7175]

ROFLMAO.. Way to prove you have no clue what a false dichotomy argument is as you disagree with my 2 examples of what they are.