Mason and Madison on pardon power.

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George Mason: "The president ought not to have the power of pardoning b/c he may pardon crimes advised by himself."

John Madison's reply: "If the President be connected in any suspicious manner w/ any person & there be grounds to believe he will shelter him, the House can impeach him."
 
We have rules that other presidents respected. They sensed that they should not go too far. Trump does what he wants. He sees the while government as a loophole he can take advantage of. The government is not about the people. It is about Trump.
 
George Mason: "The president ought not to have the power of pardoning b/c he may pardon crimes advised by himself."

John Madison's reply: "If the President be connected in any suspicious manner w/ any person & there be grounds to believe he will shelter him, the House can impeach him."

Damn those far-left commie haters of all things American!
 
George Mason: "The president ought not to have the power of pardoning b/c he may pardon crimes advised by himself."

John Madison's reply: "If the President be connected in any suspicious manner w/ any person & there be grounds to believe he will shelter him, the House can impeach him."

You retard; what crime was Stone connected to? Good lord, you give new meaning to triggered lunatic. :palm:
 
There will be a Post-Trump cleanup of legislative changes required to prevent future presidents to abuse executive privilege.

Thanks to Donald Trump's abusing executive privilege to conduct crimes in the Oval Office, some of those executive privileges must now be removed.to prevent any more Constitutional crisis.

Look for the pardon privilege to be history! Gone- Wiped off the face of the earth!

Seems our forefathers had no idea someone so sleezy, someone so slimy, someone so sinister like Donald Trump, would ever be voted into office in the first place.

But to allow a sinister president a loophole, where he could just dangle a pardon out in front of a witness to the crimes of the president, use it as a bribe, to encourage the witness to lie under oath to Congress or the Justice department, was a complete oversight by the forefathers.

And even though there is really no law on the books that says a president cannot be indicted or prosecuted for federal crimes, and since the Justice department has created a statute of it's own to not indict or prosecute a sitting president anyway, that Justice Department crazytown statute will be eliminated.

Yes, from now on a sitting president will be subject to indictment and prosecution. Future presidents will no longer be allowed to have a get-out-of-jail-free card just because they are the president.

And I also look for some kind of change in the privilege of firing and hiring justice department officials by a president. The privilege of hiring your own crony to be the Attorney General and use him/her to coverup your crimes and go after your political adversaries will no longer be possible.

So this will force changes in the Senate. In order for a Justice Department official to be fired or hired, it must first meet the approval of BOTH branches of Congress- THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE.

These changes will be made immediately following Trump's defeat from office and with a new Senate leader and president in place.

You better believe the Democrats will resolve these issues that have caused all of these Constitutional Crisis's created by the sleezebag president Donald TRUMP!
 
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There will be a Post-Trump cleanup of legislative changes required to prevent future presidents to abuse executive privilege.

Thanks to Donald Trump's abusing executive privilege to conduct crimes in the Oval Office, some of those executive privileges must now be removed.to prevent any more Constitutional crisis.

Look for the pardon privilege to be history! Gone- Wiped off the face of the earth!

Seems our forefathers had no idea someone so sleezy, someone so slimy, someone so sinister like Donald Trump, would ever be voted into office in the first place.

But to allow a sinister president a loophole, where he could just dangle a pardon out in front of a witness to the crimes of the president, use it as a bribe, to encourage the witness to lie under oath to Congress or the Justice department, was a complete oversight by the forefathers.

And even though there is really no law on the books that says a president cannot be indicted or prosecuted for federal crimes, and since the Justice department has created a statute of it's own to not indict or prosecute a sitting president anyway, that Justice Department crazytown statute will be eliminated.

Yes, from now on a sitting president will be subject to indictment and prosecution. Future presidents will no longer be allowed to have a get-out-of-jail-free card just because they are the president.

And I also look for some kind of change in the privilege of firing and hiring justice department officials by a president. The privilege of hiring your own crony to be the Attorney General and use him/her to coverup your crimes and go after your political adversaries will no longer be possible.

So this will force changes in the Senate. In order for a Justice Department official to be fired or hired, it must first meet the approval of BOTH branches of Congress- THE SENATE AND THE HOUSE.

These changes will be made immediately following Trump's defeat from office and with a new Senate leader and president in place.

You better believe the Democrats will resolve these issues that have caused all of these Constitutional Crisis's created by the sleezebag president Donald TRUMP!

I pretty sure that in order to implement the Fascistic agenda of the Democratic Party of the Jackass, they will first have to win elections. ;)

Lastly, the removal of Presidential pardon power will require a change to Article II, sec.2 of the Constitution. I doubt that will EVER happen. But hey, you're a leftist who is too stupid to do any research and instead, parrot the stu0pidity you hear from the PHONY media and loony leftist liars like Schiff and Pelosi.
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At the present time we have a bunch of enabling Republicans in the Senate, I’m feeling like that might be about to change.

Is that a prediction? You think that Democrats will take over congress AND the White House?

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George Mason: "The president ought not to have the power of pardoning b/c he may pardon crimes advised by himself."

John Madison's reply: "If the President be connected in any suspicious manner w/ any person & there be grounds to believe he will shelter him, the House can impeach him."

Triggered much? Look up "MOOT". :bigthink: You do comprehend the difference between a pardon and clemency...no? Reality: The Muller left wing team of corrupt lawyers did not indict a single person for crimes committed.........in every case its entrapment for procedural crimes. Present one instance where anyone that worked for the Trump campaign was found guilty of collusion or conspiracy with any foreign agent. When corrupt cops use procedural entrapment charges....its pardon's all the way round. I predict that Manafort will be cleared....after the election. The HUNTERS have now become the HUNTED.
 
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No, because you'll just resort to name-calling in order to #deflect. :rolleyes:

Yeah, name calling is so rare on this forum right? Why are you here? It's apparent that you have selective outrage and get your feelings easily hurt.

Perhaps if you weren't such a dishonest lying hag, we wouldn't call you names? Try some honesty and truth telling for a change. You might get different results. ;)
 
Yeah, name calling is so rare on this forum right? Why are you here? It's apparent that you have selective outrage and get your feelings easily hurt.

Perhaps if you weren't such a dishonest lying hag, we wouldn't call you names? Try some honesty and truth telling for a change. You might get different results. ;)

And as you may have noticed, I don't really engage with the Fascists here who just sperg out and name-call. At most, I'll troll people like you, because it's funny. But it's impossible to have a true discussion with the Unhinged Right.
 
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