Mental Illness is not to blame for gun violence

[LV426]

HIt doesn't matter if it's a gun, knife, sword, poison, fists, clubs, arson, or any other method.

Well some methods are easier than others, and some methods are more mass killer-y than others.

I've never heard of someone killing 60 people in 60 seconds with a knife.

 

[LV426]

No, stupid people with are to blame for gun violence. Too many guns is what gets them into hands of stupid people as well.

Agree.

The biggest supplier of guns to criminals are "responsible gun owners".

The biggest supplier of guns to mass shooters are gun retailers.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Well, we can start with you I guess. People who shouldn't have guns wave them around at somebody who cut them off, or they wave them around and passersby, or they themselves in the leg, or somebody else in the leg or they get drunk and shoot a family member, or neighbor, or themselves, they let 9 year old girls fire a machine gun and get killed when the girl loses control of the machine gun, or they walk into a school or place of business or go to Las Vegas and commit mass murder with guns, or because guns are so prolific in the streets they can be picked up by 14 year old gang members and used to kill other gang members and little kids who happen to playing outside.

What else ya' wanna know?

I'd like to know where you got that bucket full of bullshit hyperbole and misinformation that you just spewed all over the board

 

[Iolo/Penderyn]

America is unique.
It's probably the only nation in the world where the individual is constitutionally guaranteed the right to own firearms as a basic feature of being a citizen in good standing.
This is a right that cannot be changed by statute, and in today's environment, the constitutional amendment of any kind is an impossibility.

Unless our nation is successfully invaded and occupied,
and our heavily armed citizenry is completely annihilated,
this will probably be the case forever.

So as a hard left progressive liberal, I say, "Game over."
Getting capped in the ass is simply a possibility with which we must all live if we can't or don't want to emigrate away from here.

Let's concnbetrate on the progressive agenda we can put into place.
Let the fucking trumpanzees keep their guns and abridge every single other right that they believe they have.
Our constitution leaves room for that. We merely have to prosecute them for their crimes, with or without guns.

This is America. It's a nation designed so that maybe you'll get shot.
Quit worrying about it and fight for universal healthcare and labor rights instead.

And remember this.
Taking a couple behind the ear
is a lot better
than having your entrails spilled out with a big knife.
Think of that benefit as an American perc.

Don't your masters allow changes in your Constitution then?

 

[LV426]

Well, we can start with you I guess. People who shouldn't have guns wave them around at somebody who cut them off, or they wave them around and passersby, or they themselves in the leg, or somebody else in the leg or they get drunk and shoot a family member, or neighbor, or themselves, they let 9 year old girls fire a machine gun and get killed when the girl loses control of the machine gun, or they walk into a school or place of business or go to Las Vegas and commit mass murder with guns, or because guns are so prolific in the streets they can be picked up by 14 year old gang members and used to kill other gang members and little kids who happen to playing outside.

What else ya' wanna know?

Should also note that over half of all gun deaths in this country are from suicide, and suicide by gun is not the most used method for suicide...that method is prescription drugs.

Suicide by gunshot has an 85% "success" rate, meaning 85% of people who attempt suicide by guns succeed.

Suicide by overdose has a 3% "success" rate, meaning 3% of people who attempt suicide by overdose succeed.

About 17,000 people attempt suicide by gun every year, and 15,000 of them are successful.

If they didn't have access to guns and tried to kill themselves with drugs instead, 510 people would die vs. 15,000.

So that statistic alone should be enough for significant gun reform.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Don't your masters allow changes in your Constitution then?

There is indeed a process to amend the constitution which has been deployed many times.
That's why we have all those numbered amendments.

Said process is useless, however, when the nation is as polarized as it is now.
It requires consensus that's laughable to even contemplate in today's times.
No American alive today will ever see another constitutional amendment.

We have a better chance to partition the republic into smaller, more internally compatible nations than to change the nation as it exists today.

 

[LV426]

Guns are not an abridgement of any right.

The right to live?

There is no right for someone else to pay for your healthcare.

So you want to give people guns, but you don't want to give people health care for when they are harmed by the gun you just gave them.

 

[LV426]

There is no right to a minimum wage.

There is also no right to own a business.

And actually, MW laws would establish the right to a MW.

 

[Nordberg]

Mental illness and the ability for them to get weapons are a part of America's enormous and growing gun death problem.

 

[LV426]

Price controls and socialism doesn't work.

Yes they do if implemented smartly.

We know you are incapable of implementing them smartly because of how you fucked up COVID.

So this is really a conversation of which you aren't a part because you have nothing to offer.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

The right to live?

then take them away from government, seeing how they have murdered over 200 million civilians over the last century

So you want to give people guns, but you don't want to give people health care for when they are harmed by the gun you just gave them.

nobody is entitled to the products or services of another.

There is also no right to own a business.

this is wrong, as usual. The SCOTUS has ruled that one of our unalienable rights is to contract, own property, and pursue life, liberty, and happiness.
why are you always wrong?

Sure they do, if implemented smartly. But we know we can't rely on you to implement things smartly, so you're not really a part of that conversation anyway.

 

[LV426]

have you ever tried to buy a gun?

I have here in Georgia and it's remarkably easy.

All you need is the cash and to pass the background check (which is instant), and you can walk out of a store with a gun in 10 minutes.

 

[LV426]

I'd like to know where you got that bucket full of bullshit hyperbole and misinformation that you just spewed all over the board

Of the 35,000 deaths from guns every year, how many of those are justifiable self-defense?

Because we know about half are suicides, which could be prevented with mental health pre-screenings.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

I have here in Georgia and it's remarkably easy.

All you need is the cash and to pass the background check (which is instant), and you can walk out of a store with a gun in 10 minutes.

it's not always instant. the law gives the ATF 3 days and I know quite a few who had to wait the 3 days

 

[LV426]

then take them away from government, seeing how they have murdered over 200 million civilians over the last century

I mean, I don't think cops should be armed with guns either...

And how often have attempts to insurrect against the US government with arms been successful? Zero times.

nobody is entitled to the products or services of another.

Right, like a gun or owning a business.

this is wrong, as usual. The SCOTUS has ruled that one of our unalienable rights is to contract, own property, and pursue life, liberty, and happiness.

All businesses are chartered by the State.

How come you didn't know that? Because you don't know anything.

And you say that we have a right to life! It's right there in what you wrote.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Of the 35,000 deaths from guns every year, how many of those are justifiable self-defense?

Because we know about half are suicides, which could be prevented with mental health pre-screenings.

mental health screenings would be awesome........if most liberals and conservatives would stop shaming and ridiculing those who want/need them.

The FBI also noted that there are about 2.5 million defensive gun uses a year..........that's 2.5 million murders/rapes/robberies/assaults that didn't happen because people were armed

 

[LV426]

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The fact that you and your "very fine people" couldn't stop yourselves from becoming COVID-riddled sows proves the need for the Nanny State.

You couldn't wash your fucking hands and because you couldn't follow those simple instructions, we all have to suffer.

Every time you post, you are proving the need for the Nanny State.

 

[LV426]

it's not always instant.

IT IS IN GEORGIA YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE.

he law gives the ATF 3 days and I know quite a few who had to wait the 3 days

NOT IN GEORGIA.

You don't know anything about gun laws, but you like to pretend you do.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

I mean, I don't think cops should be armed with guns either...

And how often have attempts to insurrect against the US government with arms been successful? Zero times.

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Right, like a gun or owning a business.

last I looked, nobody gets given a gun by the government. nobody is supposed to be handed a business by government. They are bought or purchased with that individuals own money.

All businesses are chartered by the State.

How come you didn't know that? Because you don't know anything.

And you say that we have a right to life! It's right there in what you wrote.

charters, permits, inspections, and licenses are nothing but revenue schemes because lazy liberals wanted things for free or to feel like they were being protected by government, or just plain theft by government. At one time, someone could start a business without having to pay all those things.

and your 'right to life' is there to prevent government from willy nilly taking it. NOTHING prevents another individual citizen from trying..............which is why you have the RIGHT to bear arms.

 

[LV426]

mental health screenings would be awesome........if most liberals and conservatives would stop shaming and ridiculing those who want/need them.

Oh, I think every gun owner and prospective gun owner should have to go through annual mental health screenings.

But the inevitable result of that is some people will undoubtedly lose their weapons, possibly even you.

So...think very long and very hard as to whether or not you support this because it will have an effect on you personally.

Do you think you could pass a mental health screening? I have my doubts about you. A doctor could just look at your JPP posts and pretty much cancel your gun ownership based on them. After all, you had a terrorist group's logo as your AVI for months, possibly years.

The FBI also noted that there are about 2.5 million defensive gun uses a year.

OK, but that's not a statistic we can do anything with because we don't know the resolution of those defensive gun actions, do we?

.that's 2.5 million murders/rapes/robberies/assaults that didn't happen because people were armed

Well, you're going out on a limb there because you don't know if those actions actually did prevent the crime.

It could have happened as the crime was in progress.