Mental Illness is not to blame for gun violence

[SmarterthanYou]

IT IS IN GEORGIA YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE.
NOT IN GEORGIA.
You don't know anything about gun laws, but you like to pretend you do.

maybe you could show me where in GA state law they nullified federal gun laws?

i'll wait.

 

[LV426]

battle of athens

"predatory policing, police brutality, political corruption, and voter intimidation"

Soooo...those are all three things you've defended the last year.

 

[LV426]

maybe you could show me where in GA state law they nullified federal gun laws?

i'll wait.

If I provide this to you, what do I get in return?

Because I'm not going to do the work only to have you ignore it or avoid it.

And don't conflate CCW with normal gun ownership, because I know you're going to try.

 

[Nordberg]

The Colorado shooter was mentally ill. His brother says he imagined people were following him. He was very paranoid. But at least he could get an Ar-type weapon as god wanted.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Oh, I think every gun owner and prospective gun owner should have to go through annual mental health screenings.

so should voters, prospective parents, teens who want to get married, old people that want to drive, people who run for political office, in fact, maybe every single individual should have one every few years.

But the inevitable result of that is some people will undoubtedly lose their weapons, possibly even you.

this is where you fail to see the ignorant idiocy of you wishes. Unless you take over the country and write your own charter, YOU don't get to delineate what rights people have and who are allowed to have them.

So...think very long and very hard as to whether or not you support this because it will have an effect on you personally.

Do you think you could pass a mental health screening? I have my doubts about you. A doctor could just look at your JPP posts and pretty much cancel your gun ownership based on them. After all, you had a terrorist group's logo as your AVI for months, possibly years.

as I was saying. it could be run down to anyone having anti government positions is therefore mentally ill. no more gun rights...........and the same could be done for any other right you could name. No, I'll be keeping my rights. all of them. your opinion isn't valid for them, nor is anyone elses.

OK, but that's not a statistic we can do anything with because we don't know the resolution of those defensive gun actions, do we?

Well, you're going out on a limb there because you don't know if those actions actually did prevent the crime.

It could have happened as the crime was in progress.

or it could have completely prevented the crime by the intended victim simply displaying the weapon.........the question then would be, how many bodies or victims would you need to study to come to the opposite conclusion?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

If I provide this to you, what do I get in return?

Because I'm not going to do the work only to have you ignore it or avoid it.

And don't conflate CCW with normal gun ownership, because I know you're going to try.

1. you're not going to provide it to me because GA doesn't have power over FEDERAL FIREARMS LICENSES
2. I have forgotten more about gun laws than you will probably ever know, having been an open carry advocate for the last 14 years.
3. CCWs/CHLs/whatever you want to call them are mostly prior restraint restrictions on constitutional rights. no conflation with them here. I think they're government abuse and overreach and shouldn't exist.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

The Colorado shooter was mentally ill. His brother says he imagined people were following him. He was very paranoid. But at least he could get an Ar-type weapon as god wanted.

This is what I'm saying, Nordberg.
The pros and cons of our gun laws turn out to be irrelevant.
The nation overall is accustomed to being armed and likes it, regardless of the resultant massacres that most of us don't like.
We're stuck with the status quo, at least in our lifetimes.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

"predatory policing, police brutality, political corruption, and voter intimidation"

Soooo...those are all three things you've defended the last year.

have you not looked at my history of posts here?????? and that's 4 things, not 3

 

[SmarterthanYou]

This is what I'm saying, Nordberg.
The pros and cons of our gun laws turn out to be irrelevant.
The nation overall is accustomed to being armed and likes it, regardless of the resultant massacres that most of us don't like.
We're stuck with the status quo, at least in our lifetimes.

slight correction. only half the nation likes it. the other half doesn't seem to.

 

[LV426]

so should voters, prospective parents, teens who want to get married, old people that want to drive, people who run for political office, in fact, maybe every single individual should have one every few years.

Let's start with guns, and see how it goes.

I'm convinced that people who argue against mental health screenings like this know they would never be able to pass one.

 

[LV426]

this is where you fail to see the ignorant idiocy of you wishes. Unless you take over the country and write your own charter, YOU don't get to delineate what rights people have and who are allowed to have them.

I know, a doctor would in that scenario.

So you would go every year to your psych eval, and your doctor would either clear you or not.

So it's not me who is making that determination, it's the doctor conducting the exam.

And since they're conducting it, they're accountable for what you do with your gun after.

So...like I said...some of you would lose your guns because no doctor wants to be on the hook for a mass shooting or suicide.

 

[LV426]

as I was saying. it could be run down to anyone having anti government positions is therefore mentally ill

I would consider someone who feels it necessary to arm up against imagined government overreach to be paranoid, wouldn't you?

That's what it's looking like the Colorado shooter thought.

 

[NiftyNiblick]

slight correction. only half the nation likes it. the other half doesn't seem to.

My guess would be that 95% of the right and 50% of the left want the 2nd Amendment to be sustained.

I'm politically hard left and own eight firearms because I used to like recreational shooting prior to be drafted, although I didn't hunt.
If the 2nd Amendment were repealed and I was adequately paid to surrender my firearms, I could deal with it. They are very expensive guns, so I'd certainly want my money.
Others would have to have their guns pried from their cold dead fingers.
That's just how it is.

 

[LV426]

no more gun rights

Of course gun rights...you just need to be mentally fit in order to use them.

Don't you want only mentally fit people to own guns?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Let's start with guns, and see how it goes.

no. what do you do now?

I'm convinced that people who argue against mental health screenings like this know they would never be able to pass one.

you were convinced you knew how the military was supposed to work also, and look how badly you fucked that up

 

[LV426]

No, I'll be keeping my rights. all of them. your opinion isn't valid for them, nor is anyone elses.

So if I'm a doctor and I hear you say the same things you're posting on JPP, I'm leaning toward you being paranoid...and that paranoia is a symptom of a mental illness. Which one? Don't know, but there's plenty.

Like I said, it would be the doctor making that determination, not me.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

I know, a doctor would in that scenario.

So you would go every year to your psych eval, and your doctor would either clear you or not.

So it's not me who is making that determination, it's the doctor conducting the exam.

And since they're conducting it, they're accountable for what you do with your gun after.

So...like I said...some of you would lose your guns because no doctor wants to be on the hook for a mass shooting or suicide.

HUMANS are subject to variable influences that could/would detract or deny rights to people based upon the nature of the human. No thanks. my rights are not up for discussion.

 

[LV426]

or it could have completely prevented the crime by the intended victim simply displaying the weapon

BUT YOU DON'T FUCKING KNOW THAT.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

I would consider someone who feels it necessary to arm up against imagined government overreach to be paranoid, wouldn't you?

those founders were pretty crazy, weren't they? I'll tell you who needs a mental evaluation, is those who have seen what government has done over the past 30 years and not think it's been overreach.

That's what it's looking like the Colorado shooter thought.

is it?

 

[LV426]

the question then would be, how many bodies or victims would you need to study to come to the opposite conclusion?

Well, with more guns than people in the country, there's still this crime that you are saying we need more guns to fight.

So...the current crime rate is QED for the worthlessness of guns as a deterrent.