Mental Illness is not to blame for gun violence

[SmarterthanYou]

WOW.

So you don't really get how to read Legal contracts or language, do you?

Because what you posted here says the background check is instantaneous...it's literally in Section 1.

So what you posted here PROVES that I can walk into a gun store in GA and then walk out 10 minutes later with a gun.

The 3 day period is only IF the system doesn't provide the licensee with a unique identification number...which it would in every single case unless the buyer doesn't pass the background check, or the seller doesn't contact the system.

Otherwise, what scenario would have to occur in order for Section 1.B.ii to take effect?

OMG you're so fucking stupid. SO FUCKING STUPID!!!!!!!!!!! Imagine a John Smith wants to buy a rifle, but there are SO MANY JOHN SMITHS, that it would take more than 3 days to try and do the background check.

If you are incapable of learning how to do this shit, go sit the fuck down.

 

[LV426]

ROFL.........you think that the relationship between the federal government and the military flip flopped over the last 30 years????

I think between 1991 and 2021, your alcoholism has destroyed a lot of your capacity to remember things, and as a result, you are imagining things went a certain way back then when they didn't.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

Well, what I think you might do directly impacts me.

So if I believe that you're going to turn your gun against me or others, that definitely impacts me.

You haven't proven you are of sound mind to even own a gun.

and thankfully, I don't need your approval. that's why they are RIGHTS. you can't even comprehend how the law works, nor how government as a whole works. why should I worry about how you see me????

 

[LV426]

The Bill of Rights (1st ten constitutional amendments) were ratified December 15, 1791.

Even if the 2nd Amendment was an ill-advised idea, and I'm making no argument either way,
that gave us guns probably forever.
What do you imagine can be done about it in a nation as starkly polarized as ours?

The nation isn't polarized. 90% of people want more gun control.

 

[volsrock]

There are millions of mentally ill people in the US that do not go and shoot up Asian businesses.

So mental illness isn't the cause of gun violence, and never was.

The cause of gun violence is and always will be guns.

'Sex Addiction' Cited As Spurring Spa Shooting, But Most Killed Were Of Asian Descent
https://www.npr.org/2021/03/17/9782...s-reason-but-most-victims-were-of-asian-desce

If it was about sex addiction, why didn't this "very fine person" target any of the millions of strip clubs in Atlanta, which is practically what the fucking city is known for.

In fact, there are two strip clubs about 100 yards away from the spas he attacked on Piedmont.

They are already saying the Boulder Muslim killer was mentally ill! So he is but the Atlanta guy isnt

 

[SmarterthanYou]

I think between 1991 and 2021, your alcoholism has destroyed a lot of your capacity to remember things, and as a result, you are imagining things went a certain way back then when they didn't.

i've seen how you think it's supposed to work................if 'my' alcoholism has had an effect, you need to be hospitalized permanently because you don't know jack shit

 

[LV426]

I'm still a expert marksmen, I still know tactics, and I know how to operate in a squad. according to how the founders used 'well regulated' in the 2nd Amendment, I'm it.

So...who evaluated you recently? Because that training was over 30 years ago.

And remind me, back when you were in the Marines, didn't you have to undergo a psych eval anyway?

 

[SmarterthanYou]

The nation isn't polarized. 90% of people want more gun control.

"The very purpose of a Bill of Rights was to withdraw certain subjects from the vicissitudes of political controversy, to place them beyond the reach of majorities and officials and to establish them as legal principles to be applied by the courts. One's right to life, liberty, and property, to free speech, a free press, freedom of worship and assembly, and other fundamental rights may not be submitted to vote; they depend on the outcome of no elections."
: Robert H. Jackson, US Supreme Court Justice West Virginia State Board of Education v. Barnette, 319 U.S. 624 (1943)

luckily their feelings dont fucking matter

 

[Into the Night]

Well, we can start with you I guess.

Everything you post here is readable by everyone.

People who shouldn't have guns wave them around at somebody who cut them off,

Bigotry. Brandishing without justification is already illegal, regardless of the weapon.

or they wave them around and passersby,

Brandishing is already illegal.

or they themselves in the leg,

I assume you mean shoot themselves. If someone shoots themselves, they only have themselves to blame. It's no different than cutting yourself on a knife or getting into a car accident because you're a lousy driver.

or somebody else in the leg

If you shoot someone else in the leg, you are already held responsible. It's no different than if you run into 'em with a car because you're a lousy driver.

or they get drunk and shoot a family member, or neighbor, or themselves,

Same thing.

they let 9 year old girls fire a machine gun

They can't. Even if they COULD hold the gun, it would knock 'em flat. Who is letting 9 year old girls shoot machine guns?

and get killed when the girl loses control of the machine gun,

Examples of this happening?

or they walk into a school or place of business or go to Las Vegas and commit mass murder with guns,

Also pretty damn rare.
School shootings are going to take place regardless of gun laws. The favored weapon in school shootings seems to be a .22 pistol or rifle. No school shooting has ever lasted longer than 10 minutes before some good guy with a gun kills the bad guy with a gun or the shooter shoots himself. Schools themselves are actually to blame for this, by creating 'gun free' zones.

or because guns are so prolific in the streets they can be picked up by 14 year old gang members and used to kill other gang members and little kids who happen to playing outside.

Gangs will get guns regardless of any gun law.

What else ya' wanna know?

You spent quite bit of time pointing out examples of why people need guns.
To defend themselves from gangs that have guns. To defend themselves from mass murderers. To defend themselves from a drunk with a gun. To defend themselves from bad guys with guns.

Guns exist. They are fact of life. You have to deal with them. Your hoplophobia is not going to make it go away. The examples you point out are the rare cases of bad guys with guns.

You are surrounded by people carrying guns. They aren't shooting up schools, rock concerts, getting drunk and waving their gun around, They aren't shooting themselves or anyone else in the leg. They are carrying their guns precisely for the reasons you mentioned. If a bad guy with a gun shows up, a good guy with a gun can stop him.

Your argument is actually a fallacy, known as a compositional error fallacy. You are making this fallacy with people as the class. This has a name: bigotry.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

So...who evaluated you recently? Because that training was over 30 years ago.

not relevant. I don't answer to the government. they answer to us.

And remind me, back when you were in the Marines, didn't you have to undergo a psych eval anyway?

yep. apparently I passed since they put thousands of lives in my hands as an air traffic controller

 

[Into the Night]

Who the fuck asked the birdbrain Milquetoast Macaw?
Is this clown involved with rocket science and brain surgery as well?

Rocket science yes. Brain surgery no.

 

[Into the Night]

I never said people couldn't own more than one. I said that there are too many in the streets and they're too easy to get.

Define 'too many'. Define 'too easy to get'.

You do realize that gangs can get any gun they want, right? They don't give a rat's ass about any gun law.

 

[LV426]

the 60s oppression of inner city blacks

OK, but you said the past 30 years.

ruby ridge. waco.

In both cases, the hostage takers forced the government's hand.

In the case of Waco, Koresh and his people set fire to their building and he killed people, not the government.

clintons war on private militias

Ah, so yours is a Timothy McVeigh stan account?

bush's attempts at 'free speech zones'.

And how did you and your guns stop those? You had guns then, and yet you did nothing about those "free speech zones".

So explain to me why you need a gun to protect you from "free speech zones" when you had a gun when there were "free speech zones"?

So you had your shitty little gun while Bush was imposing these free speech zones and you did absolutely nothing about it.

So your gun didn't prevent "free speech zones", it didn't prevent Waco, it didn't prevent anything. You just have your gun because it's your security blanket.

 

[Into the Night]

have you ever tried to buy a gun?

He obviously hasn't. He's scared of guns. He's never held one or learned to shoot one. Everything he knows about guns comes from Hollywood movies and what the media tells him.

 

[LV426]

The Patriot Act (which I hated from the get go) you should really learn to differentiate that there is more than just left and right

Doesn't the fact that the Patriot Act passed and keeps getting renewed while you've been owning guns this whole time prove your "guns are to protect us from the government overreach" argument is bullshit?

Your shitty guns didn't stop the government from passing, implementing, and then renewing the Patriot Act the last 20 years, so it's really weird that you would use that as the excuse today.

 

[Into the Night]

Then why do you want to give people guns?

RQAA

 

[Into the Night]

Well some methods are easier than others, and some methods are more mass killer-y than others.

I've never heard of someone killing 60 people in 60 seconds with a knife.

No. I don't kill people.
You are being ridiculous.

 

[Into the Night]

Agree.

The biggest supplier of guns to criminals are "responsible gun owners".

The biggest supplier of guns to mass shooters are gun retailers.

Paradox. You can't argue both sides of a paradox. You're being irrational again. You are even trying to build a straw man fallacy this way.

 

[LV426]

OMG you're so fucking stupid. SO FUCKING STUPID!!!!!!!!!!! Imagine a John Smith wants to buy a rifle, but there are SO MANY JOHN SMITHS, that it would take more than 3 days to try and do the background check.

Oh FFS

Your own quote says the background check is instantaneous. It is literally the first fucking sentence.

The only time a 3 day period comes into play is if the other conditions are not satisfied.

Every background check is instantaneous...THAT IS WHAT YOUR QUOTE SAYS.

 

[Into the Night]

I'd like to know where you got that bucket full of bullshit hyperbole and misinformation that you just spewed all over the board

The media. Where else?

He actually made a good case for why people should carry a gun here. There are a lot more good guys with guns than bad guys with guns.