We're saying the same thing.
Criminals get their guns from "responsible gun owners".
Mental Illness is not to blame for gun violence
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We're saying the same thing.
Criminals get their guns from "responsible gun owners".
NiftyNiblick
1960s Chick Magnet
Out of curiosity, LV, do the criminals in the above breakdown include all criminals?
If somebody is in a county facility for say, a drunk driving offense or not making child support payments, is that person included in the above data?
If I'm a criminal for not paying my taxes, I own guns, and I never came remotely close to committing a crime with a gun,
would my inclusion [and the inclusion of many people like me] compromise the usefulness of those statistics?
I ask this with no intent of being anything more than curious.
If somebody is in a county facility for say, a drunk driving offense or not making child support payments, is that person included in the above data?
If I'm a criminal for not paying my taxes, I own guns, and I never came remotely close to committing a crime with a gun,
would my inclusion [and the inclusion of many people like me] compromise the usefulness of those statistics?
I ask this with no intent of being anything more than curious.
Although most crime is not committed with guns, most gun crime is committed with handguns. pages 1 & 2
By definition, stolen guns are available to criminals. The FBI's National Crime Information Center (NCIC) stolen gun file contains over 2 million reports; 60% are reports of stolen
handguns. page 3
Stolen guns are a source of weapons for criminals
All stolen guns are available to criminals by definition. Recent studies of adult and juvenile offenders show that many have either stolen a firearm or kept, sold, or traded a stolen firearm:
According to the 1991 Survey of State Prison Inmates, among those inmates who possessed a handgun, 9% had acquired it through theft, and 28% had acquired it through an illegal market such as a drug dealer or fence.
Of all inmates, 10% had stolen at least one gun, and 11% had sold or traded stolen guns.
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/GUIC.PDF
A 2019 survey conducted by the Department of Justice (DOJ) found that some 43 percent of criminals had bought their firearms on the black market, 6 percent acquired them via theft- and 10 percent made a retail purchase – 0.8 percent purchased a weapon from a gun show.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/where-do-criminals-get-guns
I don't know why you keep posting this, when all it does is say the same thing I've been saying: that every gun that winds up in the hands of criminals was first bought legally by a "responsible gun owner".
Easy to answer; because it is apparent that your IQ is so severely retarded that it merits repeating until you finally get it.
Stolen guns are a source of weapons for criminals
All stolen guns are available to criminals by definition. Recent studies of adult and juvenile offenders show that many have either stolen a firearm or kept, sold, or traded a stolen firearm:
According to the 1991 Survey of State Prison Inmates, among those inmates who possessed a handgun, 9% had acquired it through theft, and 28% had acquired it through an illegal market such as a drug dealer or fence.
Of all inmates, 10% had stolen at least one gun, and 11% had sold or traded stolen guns.
https://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/GUIC.PDF
A 2019 survey conducted by the Department of Justice (DOJ) found that some 43 percent of criminals had bought their firearms on the black market, 6 percent acquired them via theft- and 10 percent made a retail purchase – 0.8 percent purchased a weapon from a gun show.
https://www.foxnews.com/us/where-do-criminals-get-guns
What you are posting proves that every single gun a criminal uses was first purchased legally by a "responsible gun owner".
So you are the sole supplier of guns to criminals.
I'm just working off the link TD gave, and it would appear to be a 2019 survey of criminals who used guns in their crimes, and how they attained those weapons.
Every single example in the survey can be traced back to an original, legal gun sale....whether they bought the gun legally themselves, or bought it from someone who stole it, found it, or sought to sell under the table after first legally buying the gun at a retailer or gun show.
So you want to further burden the guy who does things according to the law to prevent the criminal from stealing guns from him. I guess you can't steal what isn't there, huh? Makes sense if you say it fast enough.
So you want to further burden the guy who does things according to the law to prevent the criminal from stealing guns from him. I guess you can't steal what isn't there, huh? Makes sense if you say it fast enough.
Always remember that we arw trying to debate low IQ morons with Fascist tendancies.
But he's not preventing criminals from stealing guns from him, and he's not guaranteeing he will follow the law.
200K guns are stolen every year from "responsible gun owners" and more than 10% of the time, they don't even tell the cops when those guns are stolen.
When you buy a gun, there's no way to know if you are going to secure it and store it responsibly.
Everyone is a "responsible gun owner" up until the moment they aren't. That "No True Scotsman" is not an acceptable standard. You have to do better.
Exactly.
You stupidly buy a gun to protect you from criminals armed with guns they stole from you.
Now you're starting to see the cynical, circular stupidity of gun ownership.
......YOU are an insufferable, sociopathic, lying moron on steroids.
No, what you posted proves that every single gun that winds up in the hands of criminals first started out as a gun legally purchased by a "responsible gun owner".
That's what your link proves, pal.
Here you have it folks. The end game of all of the hand wringing and and head shaking, the voting for anti-gun (or at the very least, restrictive) ownership candidates. I see stupidity...but not in gun ownership.
You screech that you need a gun to defend yourself from criminals armed with guns.
But TD just proved on this thread that every single gun that winds up in the hands of criminals was a gun that was first bought legally.
So your cynical and circular gun fetish is perpetuated by your addiction to guns, and criminals preying on that addiction.
Why do you want to supply criminals with guns so bad?
Mr.Badguy
Super lefty
Translation; this moron likes Fascism.
Lmao, you got baited you dumb bitch. Trump said these words.
I don't normally "screech." Almost every single one of my firearms, whether long guns or pistols, whether modern or primitive, were not bought to use to "defend" myself. In the past 4 years i have bought 2 handguns that were bought primarily for self defense but those two weapons comprise about 7% or the guns I own...and I've taken a deer with one of them. So self defense isn't the first thing I think about when purchasing most guns.
Criminals haven't preyed on anything of mine that I'm aware of except for 2 old chainsaws that I left sitting on my front porch one weekend that I was not at home. But in the opinion of folks who think like you do I (and people like me) am supposed to be the one who is "punished" (excess cost, paperwork, taxation, etc., etc.) for wanting to purchase a firearm. No thanks. I'll keep "screeching" if that means never voting for and always campaigning against those who would actively work to make it harder for citizens to purchase a firearm.
Criminals haven't preyed on anything of mine that I'm aware of except for 2 old chainsaws that I left sitting on my front porch one weekend that I was not at home. But in the opinion of folks who think like you do I (and people like me) am supposed to be the one who is "punished" (excess cost, paperwork, taxation, etc., etc.) for wanting to purchase a firearm. No thanks. I'll keep "screeching" if that means never voting for and always campaigning against those who would actively work to make it harder for citizens to purchase a firearm.
Of course not, because you're addicted to guns.
So what you're thinking about when purchasing the gun is the release of endorphins the gun causes in your brain when you pick it up.
It's just like opiates, alcohol, caffeine, and nicotine in what they do to your brain chemistry.