Mental Illness is not to blame for gun violence

[LV426]

While mental illness is stigmatized for firearms use and violence, that doesn't make it so.

Ah, so then mental illness is not the cause of gun violence.

So then we're back to square one; People are the problem, but you want to let the problem have easy access to guns.

You don't want to pre-screen people for mental illness.

You don't want stricter gun control laws.

So you just want people to die.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Ah....but...they haven't used their firearm illegally YET.

They could though.

So just because you haven't lost control and gone on a mass shooting YET, doesn't mean you might never.

Same goes for undiagnosed mental illness.

First of all, you don't know if it's "miniscule".

Secondly, if you are of sound mind, then you have nothing to worry about when it comes to an evaluation, and in fact, should be welcoming of one to prove you are of sound mind.

But if you're as paranoid as you appear on this thread, you probably would have a lot to worry about when it comes to an evaluation. So really, you're telling on yourself here.

Yes I do, and I posted a reply showing this.

 

[LV426]

That's were a more rational and less emotional approach is needed.

Well then you're the LAST person who should be proposing anything if that's the case.

So you started off by saying mental illness is the reason for the Atlanta shooting, then you said that mental illness only makes up a small percentage of gun violence, except for all the mass shootings, and then say that any efforts to pre-screen people for mental illness is draconian, but it's only draconian to those who couldn't pass a pre-screening, which is you telling on yourself.

 

[T. A. Gardner]

Ah, so then mental illness is not the cause of gun violence.

It is a cause, but not the only cause. You keep implying it is the only or the major cause.

So then we're back to square one; People are the problem, but you want to let the problem have easy access to guns.

You don't want to pre-screen people for mental illness.

We can screen people before allowing purchase of a firearm. But that screening has to have reasonable limits and serious controls on who does and how the screening is done. I prefer that the government be the one restricted most in this process because government is the one most likely to abuse it if they can.

You don't want stricter gun control laws.

I want reasonable gun control laws.

So you just want people to die.

Complex question fallacy. Your statement is stupid.

 

[LV426]

reduce the number of suicides and attempted suicides in the country since these account for the majority of firearms deaths each year.

OY VEY.

So suicide is a result of mental illness, isn't it? Depression, bipolar, schizophrenia, or some other form of that.

So you're also saying that a majority of gun deaths are suicides.

So those suicides could have been prevented if there was a pre-screening process in place to determine a gun owner/buyer's state of mental health before they purchased the weapon used to kill themselves.

And no, they won't simply find another way to kill themselves successfully because, according to Harvard researchers, 85% of all suicide attempts with guns are successful, but only 3% of suicide attempts by drug overdose are successful.

And far more people try to kill themselves with drugs than guns; drug overdose is the #1 method by which people attempt suicide BY FAR.

So if suicide death prevention is your new shiny object, then again, the only reasonable solution are mandatory pre-screenings for mental illness prior to buying a gun.

 

[Flash]

For instance, a man who shoots his son who came home early thinking that his son was an intruder is completely legal in Wyoming. But it is definitely a gun death that could have been prevented by gun control. It is not a gun death that would commonly happen in Canada, or Switzerland, even though they have higher gun ownership than the USA. They have gun control, which the NRA is against.

If a citizen of Canada or Switzerland thinks an intruder is in his house and shoots him and it is his son, what happens to him?

What gun control law would have prevented that situation?

 

[Truth Detector]

You're the one who said it.

Yet you cannot find the post. More proof of what an unstable, pathalogic mental case you are.

Sure they would. They would prevent people like you from getting guns only to see those guns get stolen from right out from under your nose.

I am not mental. But apparently you are the one projecting yours onto everyone else. So how would anyone know if someone without any record of mental illness be mentally ill?

Why do you stupidly believe that crtiminals obey gun laws? Try to be less mental, stupid and dishonest.

You are the supplier.

I am? What guns have I had stolen and used in a crime you buffonish, dishonest mental case?

So if we limit the suppliers, then that makes it harder for the criminals to get the supply.

Really? So how do you remove the 393 million guns currently in circulation dipshit? You really are a mental case aren't you? Explains why you would vote for a senile old white racists dumbfuck l;ike Biden.

How about we just remove the criminals who are using guns to commit crimes and keep them off the streets? Wouldn't that be more doable and less retarded?

Wait - I thought you said it was because of mental illness. That's what you said before. So are you changing your argument now?

Still clining to that moronic lie even after being asked to link us to where I made the statement. You really are a dumb lying hack. You should see a mental health professional. Your lying is pathological. Your ignorance and low IQ cannot be fixed.

One of your "tells" is when you change a quote from someone.

I never chabge anyone's posts dishonestly you lying, mentally unsound hack. I make it very obvious and only do that when someone is being deliberately stupid and dishonest, which defines just about ALL of your posts on this forum. You shold seek mental help snowflake. You give new meaning to the word retard.

 

[LV426]

What laws would have prevented any of them??

If there was a mandatory pre-screening mental illness evaluation, most of the 15,000 people who killed themselves with guns last year would probably still be alive.

The reason I come to that conclusion is that firearms have a "success" rate of 85% vs. drug overdose (the #1 means by which people attempt suicide) of just 3%.

So if you figure that 15,000 kill themselves every year from gunshot, and 85% of those attempts are successful, that means that roughly 17,000 people try to kill themselves with guns every year.

If instead of guns, those 17,000 chose drugs, only 510 people would have died vs. 15,000.

So based on that, do you still believe that pre-screening for mental illness is not a good idea?

 

[LV426]

Again; what SPECIFIC gun law would stop a criminal from committing an attrocity with a gun??

If there was a mental health pre-screening, that probably would catch a lot of these criminals.

 

[LV426]

OWhen someone is caught with one of those guns 20,000 guns, its 40 years no parole not 3 years and out in 9 mths

But they're not caught.

Or, they're not caught until after the fact.

 

[LV426]

Why do you think BANNING guns will prevent determined criminals from getting them?

If there are no guns available because you're not a supplier of them anymore, those criminals have to take on much more risk to get a gun...and the riskier the proposition, the less likely they are to go forward and the more likely they are to get caught.

 

[Truth Detector]

Yes it is. I can literally walk into any gun shop in my state, and walk out with a gun and ammo in under 10 minutes.

I live in Georgia, and the gun laws here are very lax. [/quote]

Lying again:

To buy a handgun, you must:

Be 18 or older
Not have been convicted of a felony
Provide a state-issued photo ID

If you’re buying the handgun from a local gun store or dealer, the seller will also have to conduct an instant background check.

That's why that "very fine person" of yours bought the gun an hour before using it to kill 8 people.

Why do you insist on calling this person a "very fine person?" You like murderers do you?

The laws in Georgia are very clear; he had to be 18 or older, not have a felony on his record and have an instant background check. What part of this are you having so much difficulty comprehending, you sad, pathetic, lying mental case.

What additional law would have stopped him from getting the gun?

No idiot, he bought the gun and walked out of the store with the gun an hour before committing this massacre.

You don't know SHIT about gun laws, let alone gun laws in Georgia.

See above you triggered, dumb cunt.

Georgia’s no-wait gun laws allowed Robert Aaron Long to quickly buy gun
https://nypost.com/2021/03/18/georgia-gun-laws-allowed-robert-aaron-long-to-quickly-buy-gun/

Take your shitty little gun, put the barrel to your black heart, and pull the fucking trigger.

What part if INSTANT BACKGROUND CHECK are you continuing to struggle with, you triggered, lying lunatic?

What additional laws woluld have prevented him from buying the gun, dumb cunt?

 

[LV426]

How do you know the man was mentally ill?

You JUST SAID that he was.

So I'm going off what YOU JUST SAID.

So how did this mentally ill guy manage to buy a gun an hour before using it?

How does the gun store know he is mentally ill?

EXACTLY MY POINT!

Welcome to the fucking conversation, TD.

The store doesn't know because the guy underwent no mental health evaluation or screening.

Had he done that, they would have known.

So doesn't that prove that mandatory mental screenings would go a long way to stopping that kind of gun violence, and probably way more, and at the very least, also add in some fucking accountability!?!?

 

[Truth Detector]

If you ever had to go before a judge, you better pray that the opposing council doesn't access your posts on JPP.

Because your posts would probably result in you getting committed, and at the very least, a judge would determine that you are mentally unbalanced.

There you go once again with the same, lame, stupid, lie filled bullshit while projecting your own triggered mental illness onto others. You should seel out a mental health professional you pathological lying, triggered little cunt.

 

[Truth Detector]

OK, so if it CAN BE, then how do you prevent mentally ill people, who are not diagnosed, from getting a gun?

Once again, why do you think criminals walk into gun stores, pay top dollar and subject themselves to background checks and mental health tests?

You just admitted they STEAL their guns. So why do your stupidly think MORE laws will be the solution? NO wonder you voted for Biden; you're a LOW IQ, dishonest dumbass.

 

[LV426]

Because he lied on a form the government created just like many, most, criminals do.

No he didn't!

He was never evaluated by a mental health professional, was he?

So there's no record of him ever going through a psychological examination, producing a diagnosis that would preclude him from getting a gun.

If he lied about that evaluation or diagnosis on his background check form, a background check would have found that out because the background check would have included the mental health diagnosis as it currently does.

You get that, right? Or are you going to keep being stupid?

 

[Guno צְבִי]

There you go once again with the same, lame, stupid, lie filled bullshit while projecting your own triggered mental illness onto others. You should seel out a mental health professional you pathological lying, triggered little cunt.

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crouching porch honkey , barking low grade

 

[Truth Detector]

He knows he wants banning all guns, but won't say it because he knows it is an untenable position!

He'll admit it soon enough. They are all lying dumbasses. They think everyone is just as stupid and dishonest as they are.

 

[Truth Detector]

No we do not.

There is no screening in place to prevent an undiagnosed mentally ill person from getting a gun.

The only way someone like that could be prevented from getting a gun is if they were already diagnosed.

My point is that undiagnosed people don't obviously have a diagnosis, so any "screening" won't pick that up, will it?

^Dumb lying cunt doesn't know Georgia gun laws.

 

[Truth Detector]

Nonsense, he would show him your posts that he is responding to, and they would come get you!

Delusional nutbags don't know they are.