Morality is all in your mind.

Diogenes said:
I wanted to see if you could explain, silly.

Since you can't, evidently, don't worry about it. I understand.
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Oh, sorry, you mistake me. I don't care to explain anything to YOU. It's a you-thing. I don't find you sufficiently worth the time or effort to really get deep in any topic with YOU.
 
Hume said:
Sophocles is showing each party has a rightful claim.
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Sophocles is exploring the theme that absolute right exists apart from majority opinion and apart from the laws or legislation of men.

Is it your opinion slavery is wrong?
Or do you think slavery is objectively wrong independent of cultural norms and human laws?
 
Cypress said:
I didn't say there was necessarily anything evil about moral subjectivity.

I'm just asking people who reject objective morality to live out their subjective morality to it's logical conclusion. It's commendable if a moral subjectivist opposes slavery and female genital mutilation. Just be aware that you are merely stating an opinion, you are not erecting a wall dividing absolute right from absolute wrong.
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I fully disagree.

your categories of objective and subjective morality don't actually makes sense.

there is morality, which is rational.

disfiguring child genitals is rationally immoral.

its wrong for Jews, Christian and Muslims.

and yes they all do it.

the door to heaven is narrow.
 
Cypress said:
Sophocles is exploring the theme that absolute right exists apart from majority opinion and apart from the laws or legislation of men.

Is it your opinion slavery is wrong?
Or do you think slavery is objectively wrong independent of cultural norms and human laws?
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it;s objectively wrong and some cultures are wrong for doing it, and others are more moral for not doing it.

why is this hard for you?

because you so much want to live immorally in your masonic self deluded satanic bondage.
 
Daylight63 said:
I've already explained this.
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It's entirely possible morality is nothing but opinion, cultural norms, individual choice, popular consensus.

But I can't call slavery, ritual human sacrifice, female genital mutilation absolutely wrong at all times and all places unless I am invoking a higher universal moral standard.
 
Cypress said:
But I can't call slavery, ritual human sacrifice, female genital mutilation absolutely wrong at all times and all places unless I am invoking a higher universal moral standard.
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Well, don't want to surprise you or anything but Christianity has a mixed track record on knowing if Slavery is morally wrong or not. And clearly the Jewish faith adherents are perfectly fine with genital mutilation. And "human sacrifice"? Interesting you should bring that one up when discussing Christianity as one of the religions. It kind of is built on one big human sacrifice. Just sayin'.

So basically you will have to come up with a morality that is superior to all these faiths. What will you build yours on?
 
Daylight63 said:
Well, don't want to surprise you or anything but Christianity has a mixed track record on knowing if Slavery is morally wrong or not. And clearly the Jewish faith adherents are perfectly fine with genital mutilation. And "human sacrifice"? Interesting you should bring that one up when discussing Christianity as one of the religions. It kind of is built on one big human sacrifice. Just sayin'.

So basically you will have to come up with a morality that is superior to all these faiths. What will you build yours on?
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Hard to understand why you are drawing a moral equivalency between circumcision and female genital mutilation.

Religious people fail to follow the moral conscience as much as anyone else. Christians in the American South and in the Caribbean owned many slaves.

That statement though is completely divorced from context.

The bottom line is that nowhere in Christianity does it say follow the example of other Christians. It says to follow the example of Christ


Church father Augustine of Hippo wrote that slavery was contrary to God's plan, and resulted from human corruption. The rise of Christendom was actually an improvement on the mass slavery seen in the Roman Empire. Although serfdom in the feudal system was hardly equitable

Slavery was never widely practiced in the Christian world except in the American South and the sugar plantations of Caribbean and Brazil during the 16th through 19th centuries . And that can largely be blamed on capitalism and mercantalism.

The only people who really complained to the King of Spain about the enslavement of Indigenous people in the encomienda system of Spanish America were some of the Jesuit priests. The king of Spain actually outlawed slavery in the New world, though the ruling wasn't enforced.

It was Christians who were the tip of the spear in abolishing slavery. First through Wilberforce in Britain, then through the abolitionists in USA.

Again, the bottom line is that nowhere in Christianity does it say follow the example of other Christians. It says to follow the example of Christ
 
Cypress said:
Hard to understand why you are drawing a moral equivalency between circumcision and female genital mutilation.

Religious people fail to follow the moral conscience as much as anyone else. Christians in the American South and in the Caribbean owned many slaves.

That statement though is completely divorced from context.

The bottom line is that nowhere in Christianity does it say follow the example of other Christians. It says to follow the example of Christ


Church father Augustine of Hippo wrote that slavery was contrary to God's plan, and resulted from human corruption. The rise of Christendom was actually an improvement on the mass slavery seen in the Roman Empire. Although serfdom in the feudal system was hardly equitable

Slavery was never widely practiced in the Christian world except in the American South and the sugar plantations of Caribbean and Brazil during the 16th through 19th centuries . And that can largely be blamed on capitalism and mercantalism.

The only people who really complained to the King of Spain about the enslavement of Indigenous people in the encomienda system of Spanish America were some of the Jesuit priests. The king of Spain actually outlawed slavery in the New world, though the ruling wasn't enforced.

It was Christians who were the tip of the spear in abolishing slavery. First through Wilberforce in Britain, then through the abolitionists in USA.

Again, the bottom line is that nowhere in Christianity does it say follow the example of other Christians. It says to follow the example of Christ
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how much is widely?

nobody knows.

you're fuckng stupid.

all that verbal diarrhea to achieve a weasel word......
 
Truck Fump / h1b said:
how much is widely?

nobody knows.

you're fuckng stupid.

all that verbal diarrhea to achieve a weasel word......
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Pointing to Christian hypocrites who own slaves is not an indictment of the teachings of Jesus Christ. Nowhere in in the New Testament does it say follow the example of other Christians. It says to follow the example of Christ.

Of all the ancient literature I have read, the New Testament is the only antique literature I'm aware of that endows slaves with dignity, humanity, and spiritual equality.


"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus." - Galatians
 
Cypress said:
Pointing to Christian hypocrites who own slaves is not an indictment of the teachings of Jesus Christ. Nowhere in in the New Testament does it say follow the example of other Christians. It says to follow the example of Christ.

Of all the ancient literature I have read, the New Testament is the only antique literature I'm aware of that endows slaves with dignity, humanity, and spiritual equality.


"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is neither male nor female; for you are all one in Christ Jesus." - Galatians
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spiritual equality, but worldly enslavement. just wow.
 
Truck Fump / h1b said:
spiritual equality, but worldly enslavement. just wow.
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Nothing in the New Testament says to follow what Christian hypocrites do.

Slavery basically became non-existent in Europe as it transitioned from the pagan Roman Empire to a medieval Christendom.

It was Christians who led the abolitionist movement in England and America.

Thanks for your confession that the New Testament is the only literature from antiquity that endows slaves, the diseased, the destitute with dignity.
 
Truck Fump / h1b said:
you're a cretin who doesn't get the basic messages.
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So you want to play games with slavery.

Between Medieval Christendom and today, only an infinitesimally small fraction of Christians have ever owned slaves.

And none have owned any in nearly two centuries.

Meanwhile, the biggest slavers in human history operated right under your nose, and within our lifetime - your buddies, the atheists off USSR, People's Republic of China, and Khmer Rouge Kampuchea.

The Gulag was one vast system of forced labor, as were the 're-education' of the cultural revolution. The Khmer basically turned Cambodia into one vast forced labor camp.
 
Cypress said:
Hard to understand why you are drawing a moral equivalency between circumcision and female genital mutilation.
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Because they are exactly the same thing. One is far more damaging to the person than the other but the effect is largely the same. Both unnecessary genital mutilation for cultural reasons.

Cypress said:
Slavery was never widely practiced in the Christian world except in the American South and the sugar plantations of Caribbean and Brazil during the 16th through 19th centuries . And that can largely be blamed on capitalism and mercantalism.

The only people who really complained to the King of Spain about the enslavement of Indigenous people in the encomienda system of Spanish America were some of the Jesuit priests. The king of Spain actually outlawed slavery in the New world, though the ruling wasn't enforced.

It was Christians who were the tip of the spear in abolishing slavery. First through Wilberforce in Britain, then through the abolitionists in USA.

Again, the bottom line is that nowhere in Christianity does it say follow the example of other Christians. It says to follow the example of Christ
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I'm not going to argue with you over the FACT that Southern Christians relied on the Bible as support for Slavery and the Bible (both OT and NT) are largely silent or accepting of slavery.

Just not gonna let you get away from that reality.

Also getting pretty tired of your non-stop special pleading.
 
Cypress said:
So you want to play games with slavery.

Between Medieval Christendom and today, only an infinitesimally small fraction of Christians have ever owned slaves.

And none have owned any in nearly two centuries.

Meanwhile, the biggest slavers in human history operated right under your nose, and within our lifetime - your buddies, the atheists off USSR, People's Republic of China, and Khmer Rouge Kampuchea.

The Gulag was one vast system of forced labor, as were the 're-education' of the cultural revolution. The Khmer basically turned Cambodia into one vast forced labor camp.
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my buddies the ussr?

you don't understand shit about me, fool.
 
Truck Fump / h1b said:
my buddies the ussr?

you don't understand shit about me, fool.
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Yes, your buddies the 20th century atheists.

I notice you have routinely, time after time, neglected to condemn the mass slavery and forced labor these atheists exploited, even within our own lifetimes.

That's gotta be because you are a fellow traveler and running cover for them.
 


Cypress said:
And none have owned any in nearly two centuries.
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And, again, if Christianity has a value then that value SURELY comes from the "eternal nature" of its truth. So when did God make slavery bad?



Cypress said:
Yes, your buddies the 20th century atheists.

I notice you have routinely, time after time, neglected to condemn the mass slavery and forced labor these atheists exploited, even within our own lifetimes.

That's gotta be because you are a fellow traveler and running cover for them.
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^^^^^This is the type of pejorative language and attacks on atheists that you undertake all the time. No one is allowed to be an atheist without having to explain to you why they are not the exact same as Pol Pot and Stalin.

Yet here you are defending a faith that in its own history violated its own beliefs millions of times and continues to do so to this day.

Why don't you tell us what value comes from a faith that allows for the murder of innocent people which Christianity has done. Even in MODERN TIMES.
 
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