Morality is all in your mind.

[Cypress]

You really are too stupid to comprehend the ignorance in your posts.

Would you say that religion has given us a moral compass, incredible architecture and our most valued Constitution?

Therefore, what has atheism brought us? Pol Pot? Hitler? Stalin?

Very little of our architecture is based on Christianity.

Christianity is not the basis of the constitution.

 

[Daylight63]

Christians have also committed the largest majority of the murders in the country, committed the majority of the child abuse, infidelity, etc.

It is my firm belief that religion never stopped someone doing whatever evil was truly in their heart. And atheism never stopped someone from doing whatever good was in their heart. (And vice versa.)

Anyone who claims some form of "moral superiority" predicated on belief in God lacks self-awareness.

 

[Daylight63]

Would you say that religion has given us a moral compass,

Not really. Religion certain CLAIMS morality for itself, but then usually winds up supporting some grotesque violation of their own morality, so I'm guessing the answer is "no".

incredible architecture and our most valued Constitution?

As noted by others these are not necessarily related to faith. The architecture bit certainly did at some point in regards to church construction which also influenced some other large building construction methods, but generally the faith has little to do with modern architecture.

And the Constitution was written largely by men who had a VERY different version of "faith" from you. And they went out of their way to keep it secular.

Therefore, what has atheism brought us? Pol Pot? Hitler? Stalin?

Do we really have to go down this path AGAIN???? Does anyone on your side ever listen when people talk about this topic? Pro-TIp: Christianity doesn't fare a lot better and maybe even worse given its clear statements against the kind of thing it did with abandon in its history.

 

[ZenMode]

It is my firm belief that religion never stopped someone doing whatever evil was truly in their heart. And atheism never stopped someone from doing whatever good was in their heart. (And vice versa.)

Anyone who claims some form of "moral superiority" predicated on belief in God lacks self-awareness.

I tend to agree. I think any parent can teach their kids right from wrong without terrifying them with fairy tales of eternal torment, but kids are still going to be kids. They're going to make mistakes, just as adults do.

 

[Cypress]

Ill repeat it again. If morals are just in the mind then no one can say killing is wrong if someones mind says it's moral.

You're right about Christians. The problem is the simple minded think that because some and maybe even lots of Christians behave badly, then the teachings of Christianity is bad. That's moronic at best.

I think it's an open question how, if, or why a moral law is imprinted on conscience.

I don't think there is that much functional difference between moral relativism and objective morality - as long as the "right" system prevails from my perspective. It's fine that we defeated the Nazis. But if the Nazis had conquered the world, Nazi and racist morality could become the cultural norm.

That kind of moral relativism is unappealing to me. I prefer to think there is an objective moral law that is true independent of opinion or cultural norm.

 

[Daylight63]

I prefer to think there is an objective moral law that is true independent of opinion or cultural norm.

Has there ever been such a culture in the history of humanity?

 

[Hume]

That kind of moral relativism is unappealing to me. I prefer to think there is an objective moral law that is true independent of opinion or cultural norm.

I suspect moral relativism is an invention of Christians. I've never seen anyone seriously argue for relativism.