More Than 217,000 Americans Killed by the COVID Jab | Mercola.com

[Scott]

Yes

https://www.fda.gov/inspections-com...arning-letters/mercolacom-llc-607133-02182021

I clicked on the link. Now, it may be that there's a Mercola product or 2 in there somewhere, but all I saw was a lot of information strongly suggesting that there were a lot better ways to prevent getting Covid then taking covid vaccines. This reminds me that at least one U.S. state government made a law that punished physicians for spreading "misinformation", but it's finally been given a preliminary injunction after several doctors sued:

California judge issues preliminary injunction blocking COVID ‘misinformation’ law: reports | Fox News

Quoting from the article:

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January 25, 2023

Group of physicians filed lawsuit against Newsom's administration, claiming law violates their First Amendment

By Greg Wehner | Fox News

A California judge issued a preliminary injunction against a state law that empowers the Medical Board of California to discipline physicians who support opinions about COVID-19 that are not in line with the "consensus," according to reports.

The law, known as Assembly Bill 2098, was set to take effect on Jan. 1, 2023. Under the law, the Medical Board of California and the Osteopathic Medical Board of California could discipline physicians who "disseminate" information about COVID that is not in line with the "contemporary scientific consensus."

But in November, a group of five California physicians filed a lawsuit against California Gov. Gavin Newsom’s administration, saying the law violates their First Amendment rights and constitutional right to due process.

Aaron Kheriaty, MD, is listed as one of the physicians in the lawsuit, and on Wednesday he posted on Twitter that a judge granted their request for a preliminary injunction against AB 2098.

The preliminary injunction temporarily halts the implementation of the law while the case is tried in court.

"The ruling bodes well for our case," Kheriaty tweeted. "It indicates that our arguments that this law is unconstitutional have strong pre-trial facial plausibility. Not to get ahead of ourselves, of course, or try to predict the final outcome of the case, but this is a very positive development.

"One more detail here," he added. "The preliminary injunction ruling also establishes that we five physicians have standing to challenge the law. This is important because a similar challenge filed against AB2098 was dismissed based on a ruling that the plaintiffs lacked standing."
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[Scott]

More than a decade ago, before I fully perused every claim on the internet, I clicked on a Mercola link about some health issue. I was probably prompted to sign up for the emails. For almost a year I got emails with sensational claims, and always a push to sell some sort of product.

It's an interesting ploy, as there is always a modicum of truth in the claims, followed by a promise of a cure if you just buy Mercola's snake oil.

Then I saw Oz hosting him, as my GF used to be addicted to Oz's daytime show.

Just because you believe that Mercola's products are "snake oil" doesn't mean they are. While I certainly don't always agree with everything said in Mercola.com articles, I think there's been a fair amount of good information in them over the years. Furthermore, there's absolutely no obligation to buy anything he sells. I myself have been subscribed to Mercola.com's emails a fair amount longer than you, but I've never bought anything from the site.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

An article with the same name as this thread was just published today on Mercola.com. To avoid someone bringing it up, yes, I'm aware that simply because a lot of people -think- that Covid jabs killed someone they know doesn't mean their beliefs are fairly accurate. Based on evidence I've seen elsewhere, however, I believe their suspicions are accurate in this particular case. Finally, mercola.com stories are put behind a paywall after 48 hours, so if you're thinking you might want to read the full article after that point, I suggest you download it as a PDF, which you can do by clicking the bottom to do so near the top left of the article. With that said, here's the introduction...

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February 7, 2023

STORY AT-A-GLANCE

•According to a December 2021 survey of 2,840 Americans, between 217,330 and 332,608 people died from the COVID jabs in 2021

•Survey results also show that people who got the jab were more likely to know someone who experienced a health problem from COVID-19 infection, whereas those who knew someone who experienced a health problem after getting the jab were less likely to be jabbed

•Of the respondents, 34% knew one or more people who had experienced a significant health problem due to the COVID-19 illness, and 22% knew one or more people who had been injured by the shot

•51% of the survey respondents had been jabbed. Of those, 13% reported experiencing a “serious” health problem post-jab. Compare that to Pfizer’s six-month safety analysis, which claimed only 1.2% of trial participants experienced a serious adverse event

•In December 2022, Rasmussen Reports polled 1,000 Americans. In this poll, 34% reported experiencing minor side effects from the jab and 7% reported major side effects
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Full article:
More Than 217,000 Americans Killed by the COVID Jab | Mercola.com

It's interesting that someone would make that claim.

The US death rate is about 9 per 1,000. There were 610 million doses of Covid vaccine administered. If those that got the Covid vaccine died at the rate of unvaccinated people we would expect there to be over 5 million people that died after having gotten the Covid vaccine. If only 332,608 people died after getting vaccinated then the Covid vaccine saved the lives of 4.6 million people that should have died without the vaccine. Not only did the vaccine prevent Covid, it prevents death in general if Mercola's facts are to be believed.

So Phoenyx, do you agree that a vaccine that saved over 4 million people from dying in the US is a good thing?

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

The Lancet's come under fire for its unquestioning publication of material biased in favour of the mainstream orthodoxy in the past, and rightly so. An example I just found:

The Lancet, HCL and Trump| Wall Street Journal

Here's the introduction to the article:

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A widely promoted study may be based on questionable data.

By The Editorial Board

June 3, 2020 7:28 pm ET

One of the tragedies of the Trump era is how opposition to the President has caused some institutions to drop their standards. The FBI’s FISA warrant abuse is one example, and the overt media “resistance” is another. Now it may have contaminated the fight against Covid-19.

Last month the respected scientific journal Lancet published a study with little apparent vetting that suggested the anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine (HCL) that Mr. Trump has hyped as a coronavirus treatment is dangerous. It now looks like the study may be based on questionable data from a dubious source.
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Even the Lancet recognized the shameful bias in its article in that particular case:
Political Bias, the Lancet and Coronavirus | Wall Street Journal


Quoting from it:

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You made a good call questioning the legitimacy of an article published in the Lancet, the respected scientific journal, about the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine, which President Trump claimed might be effective in treating Covid-19 (“The Lancet, HCL and Trump,” June 4). The editorial suggests that the study might be based on questionable data from a suspect source. Sure enough, that same day, the editors of the Lancet rescinded that article stating that they could “no longer vouch for the veracity of the primary data sources.”

Kudos to the editorial board, and further proof of the need for a strong and independent press.

Marc Chafetz

Washington
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The Lancet doesn't rescind articles where the authors can provide evidence supporting their article. The Lancet pulls articles when the methods are questioned and the authors can't provide evidence they got the results they claimed.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Putin doesn’t want you to read medical journals. He’s sent his trolls like the OP to spread disinformation and of course drunken deviants like Hawkeye ear it up like pigs at the trough This thread is more bullshit.

There's another one just like it, started by an equally-psychotic thinkssheknowsitallbutdoesn't unvaxxed pathogen-carrying loser. I'm thread-banned from posting on that one. You know why.

 

[Concart]

The Lancet doesn't rescind articles where the authors can provide evidence supporting their article. The Lancet pulls articles when the methods are questioned and the authors can't provide evidence they got the results they claimed.

Thank you. This is how respected journals operate. I recall this was a big deal at the time because it is so rare. Attempting to take an isolated incident and make broad sweeping claims based on that incident is sloppy, lazy and ignorant. Just like our little Russian troll.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

• “Reports of death after COVID-19 vaccination are rare. FDA requires healthcare providers to report any death after COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS, even if it’s unclear whether the vaccine was the cause. Reports of adverse events to VAERS following vaccination, including deaths, do not necessarily mean that a vaccine caused a health problem. More than 668 million doses of COVID-19 vaccines were administered in the United States from December 14, 2020, through January 26, 2023. During this time, VAERS received 18,977 preliminary reports of death (0.0028%) among people who received a COVID-19 vaccine. CDC and FDA clinicians review reports of death to VAERS including death certificates, autopsy, and medical records. Continued monitoring has identified nine deaths causally associated with J&J/Janssen COVID-19 vaccination. CDC and FDA continue to review reports of death following COVID-19 vaccination and update information as it becomes available.”

https://www.cdc.gov/coronavirus/2019-ncov/vaccines/safety/adverse-events.html
I’ll go with the CDC and not Dr. Mercola, the pusher of supplements and COVID disinformation.

https://www.businessinsider.com/mer...ation-dozen-anti-covid-vaccination-2021-7?amp

That's because you are intelligent, as are most of us.

Seriously, what does this even mean? "According to a December 2021 survey of 2,840 Americans, between 217,330 and 332,608 people died from the COVID jabs in 2021" So they polled 2,840 Americans who claimed that 217K-332K ppl died from the vaccine? That doesn't even make any sense. But then we must consider the source.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Wow, an alternative medicine website with absolutely abysmal credibility and track record posts bullshit about real medicine again.

Well, this about all the "data" that our unclean unvaxxed Reichtards have. lol

There's a similar thread started by Chief Cunt and Purveyor of Stupid, Minty aka Pointgold aka Life is Golden. I ran the key phrase of her OP through Google. You'll be totally shocked to discover that the only other sources reporting her disinformation are -- wait for it -- all alt-RW bullshit sites.

 

[Yakuda]

An article with the same name as this thread was just published today on Mercola.com. To avoid someone bringing it up, yes, I'm aware that simply because a lot of people -think- that Covid jabs killed someone they know doesn't mean their beliefs are fairly accurate. Based on evidence I've seen elsewhere, however, I believe their suspicions are accurate in this particular case. Finally, mercola.com stories are put behind a paywall after 48 hours, so if you're thinking you might want to read the full article after that point, I suggest you download it as a PDF, which you can do by clicking the bottom to do so near the top left of the article. With that said, here's the introduction...

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February 7, 2023

STORY AT-A-GLANCE

•According to a December 2021 survey of 2,840 Americans, between 217,330 and 332,608 people died from the COVID jabs in 2021

•Survey results also show that people who got the jab were more likely to know someone who experienced a health problem from COVID-19 infection, whereas those who knew someone who experienced a health problem after getting the jab were less likely to be jabbed

•Of the respondents, 34% knew one or more people who had experienced a significant health problem due to the COVID-19 illness, and 22% knew one or more people who had been injured by the shot

•51% of the survey respondents had been jabbed. Of those, 13% reported experiencing a “serious” health problem post-jab. Compare that to Pfizer’s six-month safety analysis, which claimed only 1.2% of trial participants experienced a serious adverse event

•In December 2022, Rasmussen Reports polled 1,000 Americans. In this poll, 34% reported experiencing minor side effects from the jab and 7% reported major side effects
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Full article:
More Than 217,000 Americans Killed by the COVID Jab | Mercola.com

We were told before the stab got it that it has never taken less than 5 years to get a vaccine to market. When trump was still president kamala harris was asked if she would take the stab she said no because she didn't trust trump. When Biden was elected they loved the stab. I'd bet my eye teeth that Biden got a saline shot and not the stab. The stab was touted as so effective and if it was why were they trying to force in on everyone? If the stab protects you why would you care? This whole thing stinks from to bottom.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

The Lancet's come under fire for its unquestioning publication of material biased in favour of the mainstream orthodoxy in the past, and rightly so. An example I just found:

Quoting opinion pieces to rebut the credibility or lack thereof of a particular source is a #DebateFail. Try harder.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Can't see the OP, but Oz/Mercola are the best snake oil team in the world.

Was there a product they were selling as an alternative to the vaccine?

I'm sure there was more than one product.

This whole thread is an example of when critical thinking fails... or never existed. The first thing an intelligent OP author would have asked is "Why would this source want me to think that a proven vaccine that's been administered to billions of people be dangerous?" Then the intelligent OP would have looked at the source itself to find out why. It's selling its own version of COVID prevention/treatments.

This silly false information thread could have easily been avoided, had the OP and his little sycophants been intelligent and possessed of critical thinking skills.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

The Lancet doesn't rescind articles where the authors can provide evidence supporting their article. The Lancet pulls articles when the methods are questioned and the authors can't provide evidence they got the results they claimed.

Yes. That is why it is one of the world's most respected medical journals. Certainly it is more trusted than, say, an opinion from a WSJ hack, or Mercola.com.

 

[Yakuda]

I'm sure there was more than one product.

This whole thread is an example of when critical thinking fails... or never existed. The first thing an intelligent OP author would have asked is "Why would this source want me to think that a proven vaccine that's been administered to billions of people be dangerous?" Then the intelligent OP would have looked at the source itself to find out why. It's selling its own version of COVID prevention/treatments.

This silly false information thread could have easily been avoided, had the OP and his little sycophants been intelligent and possessed of critical thinking skills.

Maintaining the lie is more important than people dying from the stab isn't it? You realize dont you that the truth will eventually come out right? The hunter laptop story is a great example. We were told it was Russian misinformation until we were told it was a real thing. You peopme never learn.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

An article with the same name as this thread was just published today on Mercola.com. To avoid someone bringing it up, yes, I'm aware that simply because a lot of people -think- that Covid jabs killed someone they know doesn't mean their beliefs are fairly accurate. Based on evidence I've seen elsewhere, however, I believe their suspicions are accurate in this particular case. Finally, mercola.com stories are put behind a paywall after 48 hours, so if you're thinking you might want to read the full article after that point, I suggest you download it as a PDF, which you can do by clicking the bottom to do so near the top left of the article. With that said, here's the introduction...

**
February 7, 2023

STORY AT-A-GLANCE

•According to a December 2021 survey of 2,840 Americans, between 217,330 and 332,608 people died from the COVID jabs in 2021

•Survey results also show that people who got the jab were more likely to know someone who experienced a health problem from COVID-19 infection, whereas those who knew someone who experienced a health problem after getting the jab were less likely to be jabbed

•Of the respondents, 34% knew one or more people who had experienced a significant health problem due to the COVID-19 illness, and 22% knew one or more people who had been injured by the shot

•51% of the survey respondents had been jabbed. Of those, 13% reported experiencing a “serious” health problem post-jab. Compare that to Pfizer’s six-month safety analysis, which claimed only 1.2% of trial participants experienced a serious adverse event

•In December 2022, Rasmussen Reports polled 1,000 Americans. In this poll, 34% reported experiencing minor side effects from the jab and 7% reported major side effects
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Full article:
More Than 217,000 Americans Killed by the COVID Jab | Mercola.com

So far, 263 million Americans have received at least one dose of a vaccine

Pretty good odds I must say.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Thank you. This is how respected journals operate. I recall this was a big deal at the time because it is so rare. Attempting to take an isolated incident and make broad sweeping claims based on that incident is sloppy, lazy and ignorant. Just like our little Russian troll.

The Reichwingers do the same thing with all news sources that retract erroneous stories. They think it means that *all* their stories are bunkum, rather than the media being honest. Fox and Breitbart and Alex Jones only retract false stories when a judge orders them to.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Maintaining the lie is more important than people dying from the stab isn't it? You realize dont you that the truth will eventually come out right? The hunter laptop story is a great example. We were told it was Russian misinformation until we were told it was a real thing. You peopme never learn.

The truth will eventually come out...
Yep.. just like the truth that Durham didn't find anything with his investigation.
Just like the truth that the Trump campaign had multiple contacts with Russia.
Just like the truth that the Russian investigation was started based on actual evidence that triggered it just like any other investigation.
Just like the truth that there is no evidence that the data is from a laptop that Hunter left at a computer repair place in a strip mall.
Just like the truth that Hunter has now threatened to file suit against those that released his personal data in violation of the law.

But when it comes to the OP, it looks like the truth will come out since the paper that Mercola is using is under review for using faulty methodology.

26 January 2023

Editor's Note: Readers are alerted that the conclusions of this paper are subject to criticisms that are being considered by editors. Specifically, that the claims are unsubstantiated and that there are questions about the quality of the peer review. A further editorial response will follow the resolution of these issues.

https://bmcinfectdis.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12879-023-07998-3

 

[Concart]

The Reichwingers do the same thing with all news sources that retract erroneous stories. They think it means that *all* their stories are bunkum, rather than the media being honest. Fox and Breitbart and Alex Jones only retract false stories when a judge orders them to.

If you admit a mistake, it increases your credibility. When you refuse to do so, people stop taking you seriously. This site is exhibit A.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

The Reichwingers do the same thing with all news sources that retract erroneous stories. They think it means that *all* their stories are bunkum, rather than the media being honest. Fox and Breitbart and Alex Jones only retract false stories when a judge orders them to.

The actual study that Mercola is using is interesting but not from the standpoint of how many died.
https://bmcinfectdis.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12879-023-07998-3

What is interesting is that they asked people if they knew anyone that had an adverse reaction. What seems to have occurred is the the less likely it was for the people you knew to be vaccinated the more likely it was for you to know someone that had adverse reactions. The authors of the study took the wrong idea from that. They assumed everyone was being truthful about actual people they knew. As we have seen here on JPP, most Trumpers seem to be more likely to know someone that died from the vaccine and more likely to know someone that adopted a dog from South America that turned out to be a giant rat.

What this study ended up being is a study about how gullible Republicans are when told a tale.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

If you admit a mistake, it increases your credibility. When you refuse to do so, people stop taking you seriously. This site is exhibit A.

It's amazing how some people lie constantly then launch personal attacks on anyone who proves they're lying. pEarl, for example, has gotten so bad that he now thread-bans half the active members when he posts one of his based-on-bullshit OPs.

 

[Concart]

It's amazing how some people lie constantly then launch personal attacks on anyone who proves they're lying. pEarl, for example, has gotten so bad that he now thread-bans half the active members when he posts one of his based-on-bullshit OPs.

LOL, I don't pay any attention to Earl. I put him on ignore the first day I was here. I know he's threadbanned me from every one of his threads, so he is basically dead to me. I'm not missing a thing.