More Than 217,000 Americans Killed by the COVID Jab | Mercola.com

[ThatOwlWoman]

How about "enough to freak out public health experts"? That is usually the big indicator for me that this is serious. But I understand a lot of people who couldn't identify a telomere from a telephone are now experts in all things pandemic and virological.

Indeed... good one. But wait. Are you saying that public health experts are allegedly "freaking out" about mRNA vax side effects? Source, if so?

 

[Althea]

Excellent!

I do believe that a good healthy diet and a few supplements (Vit D esp.) can help keep you well, along with keeping up with the seasonal vaccines and TDAP as well, if you haven't had one for a long time. We seldom get sick from anything anymore. One of the benefits of living long enough to have been exposed to a lot of stuff, no doubt. We did get a respiratory thing last year when we visited the Illinois grands, who were recovering from it. We actually were sicker from that than from the bout of COVID we had when the new omicron variant was making the rounds.

I remember that respiratory thing going around. A lot of kids were getting it. I managed to avoid that one too, but I know quite a few people who were rather sick.

 

[Cancel 1 2023]

Indeed... good one. But wait. Are you saying that public health experts are allegedly "freaking out" about mRNA vax side effects? Source, if so?

No, I'm saying that people who doubt the dire situation that the pandemic posed are ignoring the fact that the pandemic was VERY serious in the eyes of public health experts.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

No, I'm saying that people who doubt the dire situation that the pandemic posed are ignoring the fact that the pandemic was VERY serious in the eyes of public health experts.

Ah, I see, thanks for the clarification.

The excess death data has clearly shown that the pandemic not only was serious, it was lethal particularly in the United States. There is absolutely no excuse for this. We can't wave our flags and declare ourselves the "best country on Earth" when we have higher death rates than emerging nations, whether those death rates are from a virus, maternal and infant deaths, or guns.

 

[Scott]

An article with the same name as this thread was just published today on Mercola.com. To avoid someone bringing it up, yes, I'm aware that simply because a lot of people -think- that Covid jabs killed someone they know doesn't mean their beliefs are fairly accurate. Based on evidence I've seen elsewhere, however, I believe their suspicions are accurate in this particular case. Finally, mercola.com stories are put behind a paywall after 48 hours, so if you're thinking you might want to read the full article after that point, I suggest you download it as a PDF, which you can do by clicking the bottom to do so near the top left of the article. With that said, here's the introduction...

**
February 7, 2023

STORY AT-A-GLANCE

•According to a December 2021 survey of 2,840 Americans, between 217,330 and 332,608 people died from the COVID jabs in 2021

•Survey results also show that people who got the jab were more likely to know someone who experienced a health problem from COVID-19 infection, whereas those who knew someone who experienced a health problem after getting the jab were less likely to be jabbed

•Of the respondents, 34% knew one or more people who had experienced a significant health problem due to the COVID-19 illness, and 22% knew one or more people who had been injured by the shot

•51% of the survey respondents had been jabbed. Of those, 13% reported experiencing a “serious” health problem post-jab. Compare that to Pfizer’s six-month safety analysis, which claimed only 1.2% of trial participants experienced a serious adverse event

•In December 2022, Rasmussen Reports polled 1,000 Americans. In this poll, 34% reported experiencing minor side effects from the jab and 7% reported major side effects
**

Full article:
More Than 217,000 Americans Killed by the COVID Jab | Mercola.com

It's interesting that someone would make that claim.

The US death rate is about 9 per 1,000. There were 610 million doses of Covid vaccine administered. If those that got the Covid vaccine died at the rate of unvaccinated people we would expect there to be over 5 million people that died after having gotten the Covid vaccine.

First of all, where are you getting your numbers from? Second of all, as you know full well, I don't believe a Cov 2 virus exists, full stop. If I'm right, it would mean that 0 people have died from it and the Covid vaccines are placebos at best by default.

 

[Scott]

The Lancet's come under fire for its unquestioning publication of material biased in favour of the mainstream orthodoxy in the past, and rightly so. An example I just found:

The Lancet, HCL and Trump| Wall Street Journal

Here's the introduction to the article:

**
A widely promoted study may be based on questionable data.

By The Editorial Board

June 3, 2020 7:28 pm ET

One of the tragedies of the Trump era is how opposition to the President has caused some institutions to drop their standards. The FBI’s FISA warrant abuse is one example, and the overt media “resistance” is another. Now it may have contaminated the fight against Covid-19.

Last month the respected scientific journal Lancet published a study with little apparent vetting that suggested the anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine (HCL) that Mr. Trump has hyped as a coronavirus treatment is dangerous. It now looks like the study may be based on questionable data from a dubious source.
**


Even the Lancet recognized the shameful bias in its article in that particular case:
Political Bias, the Lancet and Coronavirus | Wall Street Journal


Quoting from it:

**
You made a good call questioning the legitimacy of an article published in the Lancet, the respected scientific journal, about the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine, which President Trump claimed might be effective in treating Covid-19 (“The Lancet, HCL and Trump,” June 4). The editorial suggests that the study might be based on questionable data from a suspect source. Sure enough, that same day, the editors of the Lancet rescinded that article stating that they could “no longer vouch for the veracity of the primary data sources.”

Kudos to the editorial board, and further proof of the need for a strong and independent press.

Marc Chafetz

Washington
**

The Lancet doesn't rescind articles where the authors can provide evidence supporting their article. The Lancet pulls articles when the methods are questioned and the authors can't provide evidence they got the results they claimed.

What I see right now is an a letter to the Wall Street Journal stating that the Lancet rescinded an article on the one hand, and you suggesting that they didn't on the other. Since you've provided no evidence that the Wall Street Journal's letter is mistaken, I'm inclined to believe the letter to the Wall Street Journal.

 

[Scott]

We were told before the stab got it that it has never taken less than 5 years to get a vaccine to market. When trump was still president kamala harris was asked if she would take the stab she said no because she didn't trust trump. When Biden was elected they loved the stab. I'd bet my eye teeth that Biden got a saline shot and not the stab.

I don't know. I suspect that it's possible the reason Biden's dementia has gone into overdrive since being elected may be in part due to getting a jab or 3. I admit this is pure speculation, however.

The stab was touted as so effective and if it was why were they trying to force in on everyone? If the stab protects you why would you care? This whole thing stinks from to bottom.

Considering the fact that I and some doctors no longer believe that the Cov 2 virus even exists, you can imagine how I feel about it.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

First of all, where are you getting your numbers from? Second of all, as you know full well, I don't believe a Cov 2 virus exists, full stop. If I'm right, it would mean that 0 people have died from it and the Covid vaccines are placebos at best by default.

There's this little place called the CDC that records all the death certificates in the US in the national vital statistics system.

Your denial of facts is cute. It makes you look like a bawling infant.
If we follow the standards set by the Baileys then viruses do exist.
Viruses were grown in cultures and the first ones to grow the polio virus were awarded a Nobel prize.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17469121/

Viruses grown in culture were later injected into humans and the humans were infected with those viruses. This occurred in the 50's when Cutter failed to properly kill the viruses it used in it's vaccine.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1383764/

We have electron microscope pictures of the polio virus. You will notice they are isolated from anything else.
https://phil.cdc.gov/Details.aspx?pid=235

A more closeup view of the polio virus:
https://www.zmescience.com/medicine/polio-vaccine-sans-live-virus/

Do you agree that the Noble committee gave its prize for growing a virus?
Do you agree that the Cutter vaccine caused polio?
Do you agree that a picture of a hundred viruses and nothing else would be considered isolation?

Are you just a troll?

 

[Scott]

The Lancet's come under fire for its unquestioning publication of material biased in favour of the mainstream orthodoxy in the past, and rightly so. An example I just found:

The Lancet, HCL and Trump| Wall Street Journal

Here's the introduction to the article:

**
A widely promoted study may be based on questionable data.

By The Editorial Board

June 3, 2020 7:28 pm ET

One of the tragedies of the Trump era is how opposition to the President has caused some institutions to drop their standards. The FBI’s FISA warrant abuse is one example, and the overt media “resistance” is another. Now it may have contaminated the fight against Covid-19.

Last month the respected scientific journal Lancet published a study with little apparent vetting that suggested the anti-malaria drug hydroxychloroquine (HCL) that Mr. Trump has hyped as a coronavirus treatment is dangerous. It now looks like the study may be based on questionable data from a dubious source.
**


Even the Lancet recognized the shameful bias in its article in that particular case:
Political Bias, the Lancet and Coronavirus | Wall Street Journal


Quoting from it:

**
You made a good call questioning the legitimacy of an article published in the Lancet, the respected scientific journal, about the efficacy of hydroxychloroquine, which President Trump claimed might be effective in treating Covid-19 (“The Lancet, HCL and Trump,” June 4). The editorial suggests that the study might be based on questionable data from a suspect source. Sure enough, that same day, the editors of the Lancet rescinded that article stating that they could “no longer vouch for the veracity of the primary data sources.”

Kudos to the editorial board, and further proof of the need for a strong and independent press.

Marc Chafetz

Washington
**

Quoting opinion pieces to rebut the credibility or lack thereof of a particular source is a #DebateFail. Try harder.

The fact that the articles I quoted are categorized as opinion pieces doesn't change the evidence they bring to the table against the Lancet article.

 

[Scott]

First of all, where are you getting your numbers from? Second of all, as you know full well, I don't believe a Cov 2 virus exists, full stop. If I'm right, it would mean that 0 people have died from it and the Covid vaccines are placebos at best by default.

There's this little place called the CDC that records all the death certificates in the US in the national vital statistics system.

If you could provide actual links to the source of the numbers you use, would be appreciated.

Your denial of facts is cute.

Denial of facts? You presented no facts, just a bunch of unsubstantiated statements.

It makes you look like a bawling infant.

Ah, here we go with the ad hominem attacks. You know I tend to tune out when you start with those.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

What I see right now is an a letter to the Wall Street Journal stating that the Lancet rescinded an article on the one hand, and you suggesting that they didn't on the other. Since you've provided no evidence that the Wall Street Journal's letter is mistaken, I'm inclined to believe the letter to the Wall Street Journal.

Read my statement again. Then ponder on it for more than 2 seconds. Or in your case, more then 5 days. Or you could ask a 6 year old to explain it to you.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

If you could provide actual links to the source of the numbers you use, would be appreciated.



Denial of facts? You presented no facts, just a bunch of unsubstantiated statements.



Ah, here we go with the ad hominem attacks. You know I tend to tune out when you start with those.

Look at you and your infant tantrum in order to avoid having to deal with facts.
If we follow the standards set by the Baileys then viruses do exist.
Viruses were grown in cultures and the first ones to grow the polio virus were awarded a Nobel prize.
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/17469121/

Viruses grown in culture were later injected into humans and the humans were infected with those viruses. This occurred in the 50's when Cutter failed to properly kill the viruses it used in it's vaccine.
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1383764/

We have electron microscope pictures of the polio virus. You will notice they are isolated from anything else.
https://phil.cdc.gov/Details.aspx?pid=235

A more closeup view of the polio virus:
https://www.zmescience.com/medicine/...ns-live-virus/

Do you agree that the Noble committee gave its prize for growing a virus?
Do you agree that the Cutter vaccine caused polio?
Do you agree that a picture of a hundred viruses and nothing else would be considered isolation?

Are you just a troll?

Did you see the links? Or are you going to run away from the links again?

 

[Scott]

An article with the same name as this thread was just published today on Mercola.com. To avoid someone bringing it up, yes, I'm aware that simply because a lot of people -think- that Covid jabs killed someone they know doesn't mean their beliefs are fairly accurate. Based on evidence I've seen elsewhere, however, I believe their suspicions are accurate in this particular case. Finally, mercola.com stories are put behind a paywall after 48 hours, so if you're thinking you might want to read the full article after that point, I suggest you download it as a PDF, which you can do by clicking the bottom to do so near the top left of the article. With that said, here's the introduction...

**
February 7, 2023

STORY AT-A-GLANCE

•According to a December 2021 survey of 2,840 Americans, between 217,330 and 332,608 people died from the COVID jabs in 2021

•Survey results also show that people who got the jab were more likely to know someone who experienced a health problem from COVID-19 infection, whereas those who knew someone who experienced a health problem after getting the jab were less likely to be jabbed

•Of the respondents, 34% knew one or more people who had experienced a significant health problem due to the COVID-19 illness, and 22% knew one or more people who had been injured by the shot

•51% of the survey respondents had been jabbed. Of those, 13% reported experiencing a “serious” health problem post-jab. Compare that to Pfizer’s six-month safety analysis, which claimed only 1.2% of trial participants experienced a serious adverse event

•In December 2022, Rasmussen Reports polled 1,000 Americans. In this poll, 34% reported experiencing minor side effects from the jab and 7% reported major side effects
**

Full article:
More Than 217,000 Americans Killed by the COVID Jab | Mercola.com

So far, 263 million Americans have received at least one dose of a vaccine

Pretty good odds I must say.

Good odds of what, not dying? And if so, with what are you comparing it against?

 

[Scott]

What I see right now is an a letter to the Wall Street Journal stating that the Lancet rescinded an article on the one hand, and you suggesting that they didn't on the other. Since you've provided no evidence that the Wall Street Journal's letter is mistaken, I'm inclined to believe the letter to the Wall Street Journal.

Read my statement again. Then ponder on it for more than 2 seconds. Or in your case, more then 5 days. Or you could ask a 6 year old to explain it to you.

Getting quicker with the insults I see. If you think I've missed something, you're free to point it out. If you don't, it suggests you don't care to continue this conversation, which is fine as well.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

The fact that the articles I quoted are categorized as opinion pieces doesn't change the evidence they bring to the table against the Lancet article.

One is a respected, peer-reviewed medical journal. The other is crazy talk from unverified sources. You, of course, prefer the crazy talk because it confirms your bias, tovarisch.

Dismissed.

 

[Scott]

If you could provide actual links to the source of the numbers you use, would be appreciated.

Denial of facts? You presented no facts, just a bunch of unsubstantiated statements.

Ah, here we go with the ad hominem attacks. You know I tend to tune out when you start with those.

Look at you and your infant tantrum in order to avoid having to deal with facts.

I'll tolerate the crude insult in your first sentence, but you're pushing things. Again, you provided no facts in your last post, just some unsubstantiated statements.

If we follow the standards set by the Baileys then viruses do exist.

I strongly disagree with you there, but this subject is for the viruses thread, of which I've been taking a bit of a break from. We can get into that when I re-engage with that thread.

 

[Yakuda]

I don't know. I suspect that it's possible the reason Biden's dementia has gone into overdrive since being elected may be in part due to getting a jab or 3. I admit this is pure speculation, however.



Considering the fact that I and some doctors no longer believe that the Cov 2 virus even exists, you can imagine how I feel about it.

I think it's a good guess

The whole think was an experiment. They learned what they could get away with.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Good odds of what, not dying? And if so, with what are you comparing it against?

The shots must have worked as I no longer have to wear a mask when around others.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

The shots must have worked as I no longer have to wear a mask when around others.

And the excess deaths that we experienced 2020-2022 have decreased to normal numbers, despite the claims of the covidiots that people are dropping dead right and left from the vaccines.

 

[Poor Richard Saunders]

Getting quicker with the insults I see. If you think I've missed something, you're free to point it out. If you don't, it suggests you don't care to continue this conversation, which is fine as well.

And you weren't able to do the simple thinking to understand that I said exactly the same thing as you quoted?

If you don't like me making fun of your stupid comments then don't make stupid comments.