More Than 217,000 Americans Killed by the COVID Jab | Mercola.com

[Althea]

I'm sure there was more than one product.

This whole thread is an example of when critical thinking fails... or never existed. The first thing an intelligent OP author would have asked is "Why would this source want me to think that a proven vaccine that's been administered to billions of people be dangerous?" Then the intelligent OP would have looked at the source itself to find out why. It's selling its own version of COVID prevention/treatments.

This silly false information thread could have easily been avoided, had the OP and his little sycophants been intelligent and possessed of critical thinking skills.

Either the OP gets Mercola emails, and hurried here to share it...or the OP Googled 'deaths from the Covid vaccine' and found a citation that he/she agrees with.

No need to delve into the source, as confirmation bias already took place.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

The actual study that Mercola is using is interesting but not from the standpoint of how many died.
https://bmcinfectdis.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12879-023-07998-3

What is interesting is that they asked people if they knew anyone that had an adverse reaction. What seems to have occurred is the the less likely it was for the people you knew to be vaccinated the more likely it was for you to know someone that had adverse reactions. The authors of the study took the wrong idea from that. They assumed everyone was being truthful about actual people they knew. As we have seen here on JPP, most Trumpers seem to be more likely to know someone that died from the vaccine and more likely to know someone that adopted a dog from South America that turned out to be a giant rat.

What this study ended up being is a study about how gullible Republicans are when told a tale.

Great point! One way you can tell if an OP is based on reality is take a key phrase (or the title) and plug it into Google. If all you get are other RW sites echoing the same stuff, but nothing legitimate, you know it's bullshit.

IMO the fewer of the MAGATs who get vaccinated, the more likely we are to have excellent election outcomes like we got in the last two. lol

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

LOL, I don't pay any attention to Earl. I put him on ignore the first day I was here. I know he's threadbanned me from every one of his threads, so he is basically dead to me. I'm not missing a thing.

Nope, not a bit. More and more he seems to be posting Russian disinformation, but is too stupid to realize he's nothing better than a Putin puppet.

 

[Althea]

The actual study that Mercola is using is interesting but not from the standpoint of how many died.
https://bmcinfectdis.biomedcentral.com/articles/10.1186/s12879-023-07998-3

What is interesting is that they asked people if they knew anyone that had an adverse reaction. What seems to have occurred is the the less likely it was for the people you knew to be vaccinated the more likely it was for you to know someone that had adverse reactions. The authors of the study took the wrong idea from that. They assumed everyone was being truthful about actual people they knew. As we have seen here on JPP, most Trumpers seem to be more likely to know someone that died from the vaccine and more likely to know someone that adopted a dog from South America that turned out to be a giant rat.

What this study ended up being is a study about how gullible Republicans are when told a tale.

The vast majority of vaccinated people would report an adverse reaction if the question wasn't qualified with the disclaimer 'aside from normal low grade fever and aches commonly associated with many vaccines.'

 

[Althea]

LOL, I don't pay any attention to Earl. I put him on ignore the first day I was here. I know he's threadbanned me from every one of his threads, so he is basically dead to me. I'm not missing a thing.

Whereas he never posts anything of value, I got past his thread bans because the fool thought my username was Athena.

I kicked his ass in many of his threads for more than a year, until he recently caught on.

Now he's on my ignore list, where he belongs.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Either the OP gets Mercola emails, and hurried here to share it...or the OP Googled 'deaths from the Covid vaccine' and found a citation that he/she agrees with.

No need to delve into the source, as confirmation bias already took place.

And that's just how it's done. Here's another example:

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...quot-Died-Suddenly-quot&p=5490960#post5490960

Apparently if you've had the vax and "die suddenly" -- whether from a car accident, heart attack, gunshot, or possum attack -- it's from the vax. Yet the same covidiots claim that the deaths FROM THE VIRUS are greatly exaggerated and if you die from a car accident, heart attack, gunshot, or possum attack but test positive for COVID, "they" count that as a death from the virus.

This is the same OP moron who, btw, insisted that Damar Hamlin's cardiac arrest on the field was from the vaccine. She also thinks it's "poison" and gave up her abject worship* of Trump after he got the vax and then urged others to get it as well. She was just fine with him when he was telling ppl the pandemic was a hoax and to take horse dewormer and drink bleach.

* If you look at the dumb twat's username history, you'll see she used to go by "Trump Diva."

They're biases in search of confirmation.

 

[Althea]

Great point! One way you can tell if an OP is based on reality is take a key phrase (or the title) and plug it into Google. If all you get are other RW sites echoing the same stuff, but nothing legitimate, you know it's bullshit.

Yup. And when you are trying to find the truth, this is a pain in the ass as the first two Google pages are RW loon sites that all source the original lie. You have to keep changing the search terms to avoid getting the same results.

IMO the fewer of the MAGATs who get vaccinated, the more likely we are to have excellent election outcomes like we got in the last two. lol

I view this as a statement of fact, as opposed to rejoicing.

They ARE often mutually exclusive

 

[Althea]

And that's just how it's done. Here's another example:

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...quot-Died-Suddenly-quot&p=5490960#post5490960

Apparently if you've had the vax and "die suddenly" -- whether from a car accident, heart attack, gunshot, or possum attack -- it's from the vax. Yet the same covidiots claim that the deaths FROM THE VIRUS are greatly exaggerated and if you die from a car accident, heart attack, gunshot, or possum attack but test positive for COVID, "they" count that as a death from the virus.

This is the same OP moron who, btw, insisted that Damar Hamlin's cardiac arrest on the field was from the vaccine. She also thinks it's "poison" and gave up her abject worship* of Trump after he got the vax and then urged others to get it as well. She was just fine with him when he was telling ppl the pandemic was a hoax and to take horse dewormer and drink bleach.

* If you look at the dumb twat's username history, you'll see she used to go by "Trump Diva."

They're biases in search of confirmation.

Oh yes. I go so far back on so many boards with her, we should exchange Xmas cards.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

The vast majority of vaccinated people would report an adverse reaction if the question wasn't qualified with the disclaimer 'aside from normal low grade fever and aches commonly associated with many vaccines.'

Of course.

Other than a few ppl here and a couple on social media, everyone I know who is old enough has had the vaccine, and boosters as well. Everyone, including in our family, from toddlers up to seniors. Of these dozens and dozens of people, the only adverse effect reported was "feeling tired and ill" for a couple of days. We noticed that even the injection site soreness was less with each subsequent shot. We did not get fever, body aches, or overwhelming fatigue. We DID get that when we actually got the virus, but it only lasted a few days.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Whereas he never posts anything of value, I got past his thread bans because the fool thought my username was Athena.

I kicked his ass in many of his threads for more than a year, until he recently caught on.

Now he's on my ignore list, where he belongs.

It's sad that you can't feel proud of kicking his dumb ass because he IS so dumb. He's low-hanging fruit. Very low, like lying on the ground low. lol

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

Oh yes. I go so far back on so many boards with her, we should exchange Xmas cards.

Lucky you.

She has insisted on this site that she never went by Mint Julep here, so we "don't have the right" to call her Minty. Someone discovered her former account here, Pointgold, and posted it. Sure enough, she did indeed use "Mint Julep" here. She also is extremely fond of the n-word, which she bleated repeatedly. At first she claimed that Pointgold wasn't her account, then that it was but she lost the password, then she finally admitted that not only was it indeed hers, she asked Damo to reset the PW so she could have a sock account along with the current "Life is Golden."

She must resemble a pretzel, with all that twisting and knotting.

 

[Althea]

Of course.

Other than a few ppl here and a couple on social media, everyone I know who is old enough has had the vaccine, and boosters as well. Everyone, including in our family, from toddlers up to seniors. Of these dozens and dozens of people, the only adverse effect reported was "feeling tired and ill" for a couple of days. We noticed that even the injection site soreness was less with each subsequent shot. We did not get fever, body aches, or overwhelming fatigue. We DID get that when we actually got the virus, but it only lasted a few days.

I'm fully mRNA vaxed and boosted. Typically, on the second shot of the two dose mRNA vaccine you will get mild fever and associated aches, as your immune system is fighting the second shot. I did, but it was extremely mild. I came home and took 1/2 day off from work because I was tired.

No such issues with any of the boosters. This is currently the third time that I'm surrounded by family with Covid, and have yet to get sick. But I don't even catch seasonal colds. I hold my granddaughter when she's sick, and never seem to catch what she has at the time.

I'm a believer in daily Zinc intake along with a couple of other vitamins.

 

[Yakuda]

I'm fully mRNA vaxed and boosted. Typically, on the second shot of the two dose mRNA vaccine you will get mild fever and associated aches, as your immune system is fighting the second shot. I did, but it was extremely mild. I came home and took 1/2 day off from work because I was tired.

No such issues with any of the boosters. This is currently the third time that I'm surrounded by family with Covid, and have yet to get sick. But I don't even catch seasonal colds. I hold my granddaughter when she's sick, and never seem to catch what she has at the time.

I'm a believer in daily Zinc intake along with a couple of other vitamins.

Could I ask you why you decided to take the shot?

 

[Joe Capitalist]

An article with the same name as this thread was just published today on Mercola.com. To avoid someone bringing it up, yes, I'm aware that simply because a lot of people -think- that Covid jabs killed someone they know doesn't mean their beliefs are fairly accurate. Based on evidence I've seen elsewhere, however, I believe their suspicions are accurate in this particular case. Finally, mercola.com stories are put behind a paywall after 48 hours, so if you're thinking you might want to read the full article after that point, I suggest you download it as a PDF, which you can do by clicking the bottom to do so near the top left of the article. With that said, here's the introduction...

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February 7, 2023

STORY AT-A-GLANCE

•According to a December 2021 survey of 2,840 Americans, between 217,330 and 332,608 people died from the COVID jabs in 2021

•Survey results also show that people who got the jab were more likely to know someone who experienced a health problem from COVID-19 infection, whereas those who knew someone who experienced a health problem after getting the jab were less likely to be jabbed

•Of the respondents, 34% knew one or more people who had experienced a significant health problem due to the COVID-19 illness, and 22% knew one or more people who had been injured by the shot

•51% of the survey respondents had been jabbed. Of those, 13% reported experiencing a “serious” health problem post-jab. Compare that to Pfizer’s six-month safety analysis, which claimed only 1.2% of trial participants experienced a serious adverse event

•In December 2022, Rasmussen Reports polled 1,000 Americans. In this poll, 34% reported experiencing minor side effects from the jab and 7% reported major side effects
**

Full article:
More Than 217,000 Americans Killed by the COVID Jab | Mercola.com

Overall, we rate Mercola.com a Quackery-level pseudoscience website that sometimes advocates for dangerous, inaction or action, to serious health issues.

Detailed Report

Bias Rating: PSEUDOSCIENCE
Factual Reporting: LOW
MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY

History

Mercola.com is an alternative medicine website, Founded in 1998 by Joseph Michael Mercola, an osteopathic physician and web entrepreneur who markets various controversial dietary supplements and medical devices through this website.

Funded by / Ownership

Dr. Joseph Mercola owns the website, and it is funded through advertising and questionable supplements/products on an online store.

Analysis / Bias

In review, Mercola and colleagues advocate many unproven alternative health notions, including homeopathy, while promoting anti-vaccine positions. Further, in 2011, Joseph Mercola donated 1 million dollars to an organization that opposes vaccinations. They also claim increased cancer risks from mobile devices, labeled pseudoscience by scientists’ consensus. In general, they frequently promote pseudoscience and make false claims.

 

[Yakuda]

And that's just how it's done. Here's another example:

https://www.justplainpolitics.com/s...quot-Died-Suddenly-quot&p=5490960#post5490960

Apparently if you've had the vax and "die suddenly" -- whether from a car accident, heart attack, gunshot, or possum attack -- it's from the vax. Yet the same covidiots claim that the deaths FROM THE VIRUS are greatly exaggerated and if you die from a car accident, heart attack, gunshot, or possum attack but test positive for COVID, "they" count that as a death from the virus.

This is the same OP moron who, btw, insisted that Damar Hamlin's cardiac arrest on the field was from the vaccine. She also thinks it's "poison" and gave up her abject worship* of Trump after he got the vax and then urged others to get it as well. She was just fine with him when he was telling ppl the pandemic was a hoax and to take horse dewormer and drink bleach.

* If you look at the dumb twat's username history, you'll see she used to go by "Trump Diva."

They're biases in search of confirmation.

Just like counting covid deaths. They counted dying with covid the same as dying from covid. Stupid fucking cow.

 

[Yakuda]

Overall, we rate Mercola.com a Quackery-level pseudoscience website that sometimes advocates for dangerous, inaction or action, to serious health issues.

Detailed Report

Bias Rating: PSEUDOSCIENCE
Factual Reporting: LOW
MBFC Credibility Rating: LOW CREDIBILITY

History

Mercola.com is an alternative medicine website, Founded in 1998 by Joseph Michael Mercola, an osteopathic physician and web entrepreneur who markets various controversial dietary supplements and medical devices through this website.

Funded by / Ownership

Dr. Joseph Mercola owns the website, and it is funded through advertising and questionable supplements/products on an online store.

Analysis / Bias

In review, Mercola and colleagues advocate many unproven alternative health notions, including homeopathy, while promoting anti-vaccine positions. Further, in 2011, Joseph Mercola donated 1 million dollars to an organization that opposes vaccinations. They also claim increased cancer risks from mobile devices, labeled pseudoscience by scientists’ consensus. In general, they frequently promote pseudoscience and make false claims.

What's the total number of deaths "attributed" to covid?

 

[Cancel 1 2023]

What's the total number of deaths "attributed" to covid?

How about "enough to freak out public health experts"? That is usually the big indicator for me that this is serious. But I understand a lot of people who couldn't identify a telomere from a telephone are now experts in all things pandemic and virological.

 

[Yakuda]

How about "enough to freak out public health experts"? That is usually the big indicator for me that this is serious. But I understand a lot of people who couldn't identify a telomere from a telephone are now experts in all things pandemic and virological.

The number is currently 1.1 million according to the CDC and again counts those who died with covid the same as those those that died from covid. The population of the US is 338 million. What's the fatality rate?

 

[Cancel 1 2023]

The number is currently 1.1 million according to the CDC and again counts those who died with covid the same as those those that died from covid. The population of the US is 338 million. What's the fatality rate?

High enough to freak out public health experts, apparently. But obviously the opinion of an internet scientist carries more weight I'm sure. The CDC lacks critical YouTube infrastructure so they are probably less "up" on all the science.

 

[ThatOwlWoman]

I'm fully mRNA vaxed and boosted. Typically, on the second shot of the two dose mRNA vaccine you will get mild fever and associated aches, as your immune system is fighting the second shot. I did, but it was extremely mild. I came home and took 1/2 day off from work because I was tired.

No such issues with any of the boosters. This is currently the third time that I'm surrounded by family with Covid, and have yet to get sick. But I don't even catch seasonal colds. I hold my granddaughter when she's sick, and never seem to catch what she has at the time.

I'm a believer in daily Zinc intake along with a couple of other vitamins.

Excellent!

I do believe that a good healthy diet and a few supplements (Vit D esp.) can help keep you well, along with keeping up with the seasonal vaccines and TDAP as well, if you haven't had one for a long time. We seldom get sick from anything anymore. One of the benefits of living long enough to have been exposed to a lot of stuff, no doubt. We did get a respiratory thing last year when we visited the Illinois grands, who were recovering from it. We actually were sicker from that than from the bout of COVID we had when the new omicron variant was making the rounds.