NAACP GOP Presidential Forum

[Damocles]

But my point is that it wasn't the Democratic Party that wouldn't let it out of Rules, it was Smith and a small cadre of southern democrats. Johnson and Bobby Kennedy were working their way around Smith, and as you correctly stated, Johnson used his office to force Smith to give it up.

It doesn't change my point that without LBJ this stuff would not likely have passed. And if you look at the numbers the vast majority of both parties ended up voting for it.

I agree that Nixon's Southern Strategy alienated those of african descent from the R Party. But saying that I was largely wrong because of such a point is a bit ridiculous. There was far less opposition to the legislation from the R Party than there was from the D, and those in positions of power were from the D Party. Without intervention from LBJ the law would have died in committee. It certainly wouldn't have been opposition from the R Party that would have killed it.

 

[Cypress]

No difference. It has a huge contingency of voters who watches the channel and as Darla said it Democrats are afraid to speak to them how can they govern the whole country?

Incorrect. There is no equivalence


When the National Rifle Association offers to host a democratic debate, that would be a constituency of american citizens.

Fox News is just a business. A subsidiary of a Corporation. They are not a constituency of citizens anymore than MSNBC is.

 

[uscitizen]

Did you read Darla's quote?

Umm not sure I read that one.

 

[blackascoal]

No difference. It has a huge contingency of voters who watches the channel and as Darla said it Democrats are afraid to speak to them how can they govern the whole country?

Big difference. It's an arm of both corporate interests and the Republican Party.

The NAACP is not aligned with the Democratic Party, and in fact, many within the NAACP and black media have been very critical of the Democratic Party and some elements within it .. and some within the NAACP are on board with republicans

http://www.blackcommentator.com/16_debate.html
http://www.blackamericaweb.com/site.aspx/bawnews/naacpleaders1122

 

[Cancel7]

Couldn't the same argument be made about the Democrats avoiding the Fox News debate?

No. The democrats refused that debate because it was presented as being fair and balanced, with actual journalists asking the questions. FOX news people are not journalists, and when they are making up stories about Obama being raised in a mosque, and putting a "D" under Foley's picture, along with a thousand other things, to reward them is foolish.

I applaud the democrats telling them where to stick it.

The democrats certainly do not refuse to talk to and about issues of concern to conservative voters.

 

[Cancel7]

No difference. It has a huge contingency of voters who watches the channel and as Darla said it Democrats are afraid to speak to them how can they govern the whole country?

I didn't say the Republicans were afraid to speak to the NAACP, I said that if they can't speak to them. And if you read my post you will see I was referring to the black community as a whole. I don't think Republicans are "afraid" to speak to them, I think they couldn't possibly care any less about speaking to them.

That's fine. But don't forget to whine when 90% or higher of African-Americans don't vote Republican.

 

[blackascoal]

It doesn't change my point that without LBJ this stuff would not likely have passed. And if you look at the numbers the vast majority of both parties ended up voting for it.

I agree that Nixon's Southern Strategy alienated those of african descent from the R Party. But saying that I was largely wrong because of such a point is a bit ridiculous. There was far less opposition to the legislation from the R Party than there was from the D, and those in positions of power were from the D Party. Without intervention from LBJ the law would have died in committee. It certainly wouldn't have been opposition from the R Party that would have killed it.

First BOTH parties needed prodding and leadership to get the legislation passed. Johnson for the democrats and Dirsken for the republicans. However, when the bill hit the the Judiciary Committee, it not only passed, it was strengthed. My point is, that it wasn't the Democratic Party that held up the legislation, it was ONE democratic Senator. Without Smith standing in the wat, it would have gone straight through to the House floor. Johnson worked his way around ONE SENATOR, not the whole of the Democratic Party.

There were a greater percentage and number of northern democrats who supported the bill than northern republicans, both both supported it in high numbers. The opposition came from the south in BOTH parties.

The CRA was essentially DEMOCRATIC legislation created by John Kennedy's Administration.

The Democrtaic Party DID NOT oppose the bill, southern politicians on both sides of the aisle did .. in fact, the compromises that were worked out by Dirksen, were done to get REPUBLICANS on board and to remove or water-down some provisions put in by democrats.

 

[blackascoal]

No. The democrats refused that debate because it was presented as being fair and balanced, with actual journalists asking the questions. FOX news people are not journalists, and when they are making up stories about Obama being raised in a mosque, and putting a "D" under Foley's picture, along with a thousand other things, to reward them is foolish.

I applaud the democrats telling them where to stick it.

The democrats certainly do not refuse to talk to and about issues of concern to conservative voters.

I agree.

There are very good sane and rational reasons why blacks do not support the Republican Party. We're just happy to see that ther rest of America is finally catching up.

 

[cawacko]

I didn't say the Republicans were afraid to speak to the NAACP, I said that if they can't speak to them. And if you read my post you will see I was referring to the black community as a whole. I don't think Republicans are "afraid" to speak to them, I think they couldn't possibly care any less about speaking to them.

That's fine. But don't forget to whine when 90% or higher of African-Americans don't vote Republican.

Republicans do speak to the black community including groups such as the Urban League. When you read some of the comments made by Julian Bond and Kwame M. its no surprise Republicans are not in a rush to speak in front of the NAACP.

 

[Cancel7]

Republicans do speak to the black community including groups such as the Urban League. When you read some of the comments made by Julian Bond and Kwame M. its no surprise Republicans are not in a rush to speak in front of the NAACP.

Well, you know how touchy people can get when you shoot a few of them and release their sealed juvie records to show they had it coming.

I personally have never understood why black people dont' like republicans. I also am trying to figure out why the Iraqi people aren't more "grateful", since Bill O'Reilly has identified that as one reason why we are not going to "win in Iraq." The Iraqi people themselves are "very ungrateful". What is that about?

These are things that stump us all. The mysteries of the universe, what are you going to do.

 

[blackascoal]

Well, you know how touchy people can get when you shoot a few of them and release their sealed juvie records to show they had it coming.

I personally have never understood why black people dont' like republicans. I also am trying to figure out why the Iraqi people aren't more "grateful", since Bill O'Reilly has identified that as one reason why we are not going to "win in Iraq." The Iraqi people themselves are "very ungrateful". What is that about?

These are things that stump us all. The mysteries of the universe, what are you going to do.

That's good.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

It's pretty bad. I wonder how weird Tancredo felt, being the only one up there? It seems akward.

It wasn't in the newspapers because the liberal media was covering it up.

It was in the newspapers, Darla...

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

There is black press, and the event, including disappearing republican candidates was covered there. In truth, everybody knows that African-Americans aren't going to give republicans more than 8-10% of their votes .. and that may be too kind given the no shows.

African-Americans have always been against this war and probably wouldn't have been too kind listening to proponents of it.

However, Tancredo got some respect for showing up.

"Tancredo got strong applause. He laughed at the empty podiums and took a mild shot at his Republican opponents. "This is my kind of debate," he said. "Do I know something they don't know? No, I think I know something they don't know."

African-Americans have learned they cannot rely on the usual stream of media for news and information, which is we've turned to black press and web media, like blackelectorate.com, blackenterprise.com, finalcall.com, blackcommentator.com, blackamericaweb.com, blackjournalism.com, and many others, including a host of local and community-based publications.

That's creepy. You're Americans too. Get used to it.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

The vote notwithstanding, the D Party wasn't going to let it out of the Rules (Howard W. Smith, D chaired this committe and was squelching it there and did so until after Kennedy's death) committee until Johnson used the Bully Pulpit in support of the bill finally releasing it from what would have been certain demise.

(I did make a mistake though, Bob Dole was a Sponsor along with another D Senator but the legislation was written by Kennedy).

The rules committee was dominated by old dixiecrats up until reform in the 70's. Southern representatives tend to get elected for much longer than northern ones. I guess it's because no southerner actually pays attention to the election, excluding a few soundbites and slogans.

 

[blackascoal]

That's creepy. You're Americans too. Get used to it.

That's stupid.

All manner of Americans have their own press and sources of information specific to their communities and the last I checked, they were still Americans.

Wow that was stupid.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

That's stupid.

All manner of Americans have their own press and sources of information specific to their communities and the last I checked, they were still Americans.

Wow that was stupid.

OK, then, I'm creating teh "White American Press"!

Yay! What an unbiased source I can trust!

 

[blackascoal]

OK, then, I'm creating teh "White American Press"!

Yay! What an unbiased source I can trust!

I couldn't care less what press you created. How does that affect me?

And by the way, there is plenty of "White American Press" already, including "White American Hate press" .. who gives a damn?

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

I couldn't care less what press you created. How does that affect me?

And by the way, there is plenty of "White American Press" already, including "White American Hate press" .. who gives a damn?

And I couldn't care less what shit you choose to ingest. Stop posting about it because no one cares about racist news sources like the "blacknews.com".

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

You're an idiot, Black. If you disagree with any news a news site posts, it's suddenly part of the zionist controlled "mainstream media" and is just trying to lie to us. It doesn't have anything to do with the fact that the content isn't paranoid enough for you, no no.

 

[Damocles]

That's stupid.

All manner of Americans have their own press and sources of information specific to their communities and the last I checked, they were still Americans.

Wow that was stupid.

So, I have a mostly-German, part something I don't-know and a sprinkle of Native American special ethnic paper? Wow, where can I get this item?