New Testament scholarship

[Daylight63]

Why don't you give me the years and geographical location of the art you consider to be Christian.

How about Medieval France? That at least will get the ball rolling. So much Medieval art was in the form of church alters and large religious paintings it's honestly difficult for me to narrow down a particular time.

I mean, St Denis, which I mentioned earlier is the FIRST GOTHIC CATHEDRAL IN THE WORLD. That's got to count for something. It created an entire architectural MOVEMENT which lasted for hundreds of years all across Europe.

Look at all the art in Notre Dame.

 

[Hume]

How about Medieval France? That at least will get the ball rolling. So much Medieval art was in the form of church alters and large religious paintings it's honestly difficult for me to narrow down a particular time.

I mean, St Denis, which I mentioned earlier is the FIRST GOTHIC CATHEDRAL IN THE WORLD. That's got to count for something. It created an entire architectural MOVEMENT which lasted for hundreds of years all across Europe.

Look at all the art in Notre Dame.

Okay, so you are talking about the Medieval period of art.

 

[Daylight63]

Okay, so you are talking about the Medieval period of art.

Yes, let's start there since it would be a great timeframe for when the Church was a major patron of the arts and the art produced was often times in service to the church in the form of alterpieces or frescoes.

 

[Margot]

It is an interesting topic to ask why Christianity succeeded when probably countless other apocalyptic sects from that time and place died out quietly and quickly.

I honestly think it was largely due to folks like Paul who was clearly a very active administrator and dedicated to the cause of not only setting up churches across the region but also bringing it more into the Roman empire.

Once it was established in the Roman Empire proper it stood a much better chance (despite some efforts to demonize them and wipe them out). And finally when Constantine has his "vision" (or figured out the proper political play) and made Christianity the de facto religion of the empire it was a fait accompli.

The missing link of why Christianity is still around is the Holy Spirit! That's the glue

 

[Litmus]

I can walk and chew gum at the same time. Just because I can talk about particle physics doesn't mean I can't appreciate art, truth, beauty, metaphysics and religious values.

Apart from my interests in history, I have actively sought out and read most of the seminal sacred texts of most of the major world religions. You certainly can't say that.

but you keep mixing them all together when they don;t even go.

religion isn't about science.

it's about morality.

and thats the discussion your evil soul fears.

 

[Litmus]

Yes, let's start there since it would be a great timeframe for when the Church was a major patron of the arts and the art produced was often times in service to the church in the form of alterpieces or frescoes.

and was very corrupt and raped the most kids.

let;s call it a low point.

the grandeur of the a worldly corrupt organization has little to do with actual spirituality.

 

[Cypress]

but you keep mixing them all together when they don;t even go.

religion isn't about science.

it's about morality.

and thats the discussion your evil soul fears.

Reasonable people can be interested in what the historical Jesus actually said and did.

Unreasonable people read the New Testament uncritically and just take everything at face value.

 

[PostmodernProphet]

Reasonable people can be interested in what the historical Jesus actually said and did.

Unreasonable people read the New Testament uncritically and just take everything at face value.

to be fair most people who post criticism of scripture on JPP would fare better if they were only unreasonable........

 

[Litmus]

Reasonable people can be interested in what the historical Jesus actually said and did.

Unreasonable people read the New Testament uncritically and just take everything at face value.

but intelligent people decide what's important.

you deny the words of christ with your Masonic devilry.

 

[Litmus]

to be fair most people who post criticism of scripture on JPP would fare better if they were only unreasonable........

These are five widely accepted historical facts among scholars about Jesus.
Any interpretation of the key events of the New Testament has to be able explain these facts. I have about four hypotheses myself that might explain the facts.


1) The death of Jesus of Nazareth by Roman crucifixion around AD 30.

2) His internment in a tomb by a member of the Jewish Sanhedrin.

3) The discovery by a group of his female followers three days after the crucifixion that his tomb was empty.

4) Thereafter various individuals and groups of people experienced appearances of Jesus after his crucifixion and entombment.

5) The disciples came to believe that God had raised Jesus from the dead.

is this your new nicene Creed to keep religion crazy?

yes.

it is.

this what masons do. keep religion crazy. and emphasize the divisive aspects.

you're the fundies.

the Rockefeller funded the Scofield movement in America.

 

[Cypress]

but intelligent people decide what's important.

I can walk and chew gum at the same time. I'm undoubtedly the only person here who could basically and collectively explain the moral and spiritual teachings of the Baghavad Gita, the Sermon on the Mount, the eight fold noble path, the Decalogue, the Five Vows, the eleven Aristotelian virtues, the Analects, the principles of Daodejing.

And at the same time I can be curious about the literary and cultural history of Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Confucianism, Platonism, and Buddhism.

I think I'm capable of integrating information and deciding what's important to know.

 

[Litmus]

America also rejects your scientism.


Christianity will not be transformed into scientific materialism like you Nazis want.

 

[Litmus]

I can walk and chew gum at the same time. I'm undoubtedly the only person here who could basically and collectively explain the moral and spiritual teachings of the Baghavad Gita, the Sermon on the Mount, the eight fold noble path, the Decalogue, the five vows, the eleven Aristotelian virtues, the Analects, the principles of Daodejing.

And at the same time be curious about the literary and cultural history of Christianity, Judaism, Hinduism, Confucianism, and Buddhism.

I think I'm capable of integrating information and deciding what's important to know.

you emphasize all the wrong things.

you suck at the very thing you think you're good at.

let's talk about how the golden rule, the most important teaching of chrsitiniaty, is so much like all the Eastern religions.

its ahimsa for the west.

you miss the entire fucking point intentionaly because you love war and are a divisive sophist piece of shit.

 

[Litmus]

The production and demanded compliance with the Nicene Creed was worse the worst moment in Christian history.

let's not repeat it.

ok ace?

 

[Cypress]

you emphasize all the wrong things.

you suck at the very thing you think you're good at.

let's talk about how the golden rule, the most important teaching of chrsitiniaty, is so much like all the Eastern religions.

its ahimsa for the west.

you miss the entire fucking point intentionaly because you love war and are a divisive sophist piece of shit.

So you tacitly admit I can think about values, purpose, and meaning, while also thinking about history, culture, particle physics, literature, cosmology, political philosophy, and football.

Don't limit my interests just because your interests are so few and narrow.

 

[Litmus]

So you tacitly admit I can think about values, purpose, and meaning, while also thinking about history, culture, particle physics, literature, cosmology, political philosophy, and football.

you can think about whatever you want.

but I still maintain you miss the bus on what's important about religion..

well, you're on the short bus.

 

[Litmus]

you see religion as being important as a tool in the ongoing divide and conquer Hegelian dialectic globalist psyop.

I see it being important to convey positive moral teachings.

 

[Cypress]

I see it being important to convey positive moral teachings.

No, if you actually read the sacred texts of the world, they are not just lists of things you need to do to be a decent person.

They are about spiritual liberation, salvation, fulfilling dharma, achieving Nirvana, coming into concordance with the Tao, living in harmony with Qi and the way of heaven.

Just following a list of rules has nothing to do with ultimate truth, meaning, and purpose.

 

[Litmus]

No, if you actually read the sacred texts of the world, they are not just lists of things you need to do to be a decent person.

They are about spiritual liberation, salvation, fulfilling dharma, achieving Nirvana, coming into concordance with the Tao, living in harmony with the way of heaven.

Just following a list of rules has nothing to do with ultimate truth, meaning, and purpose.

THe golden rule isn't a list, it's a way of life.


you still deny the message of Christ.

 

[EdwinA]

The missing link of why Christianity is still around is the Holy Spirit! That's the glue

For sociopaths, it is. For normal humans, it's Christianity' focus on improving human nature, it's relation to most humans' reality re culture, practical social institutions, a empathy that fits in easily with the long time children must be cared for and nurtured, and the importance of family, a strong morality influencing a reasonably rational court system and customs, and economic stability. No other theology and moral framework works better over all.

As for the 'failures', that is on people, not the theology and the books; it's a compilation of great wisdom and practical advice. Some sociopaths prefer paganism and the silly pseudo-intellectual frauds of 'rational constructivism', the Fatal Conceit as F.A. Hayek refers to the 'technocratic' fallacies popular with modern dumbasses.