NFL: League NOT seeking mandate for players to stand during anthem

Again, you've missed the point.

This is a conversation being had internationally. Why are they having these conversations? Answer: Players kneeling.

Why are you and I having this conversation? Players kneeling. Why is he American media having this conversation? Players kneeling.

What do you think is the goal of the players kneeling? Answer: to force these conversations that lead to pressure and action to seriously address the issue of police violence.

Nobody is talking about the flag but you and other people with an agenda.

Can I say this with all due respect? Your 'sympathies' don't mean shit. Seriously, doesn't mean shit. Meaning is found in your actions, not your feelings.

If you can't support a movement to reduce the numbers of innocent people murdered by those who are supposed to protect them .. support the efforts to strengthen the policies that you claim to believe in .. then what good is your sympathy? How do you quantify a feeling?
I have COME UP WITH A SOLUTION to ineffective Grand Juries - allowing a CRBrd the power to empanel a grand jury, instead of relying on local prosecutors agendas.

Now you can tell me that is a good idea or not, but it's certainly more on my part then supplying tea and sympathy.

I can't say this any clearer: so listen up so we get get off this merry-go-round

1. I support the agenda
2 I do not support the protest during the anthem. Proximate kneeling either before or after is fine/
3.my opinion is you would still ge t the needed coverage, but you wouldn't get the blowback associated with
the protests if you separated it - even keeping a proximate in time display.

Nobody is talking about the flag but you and other people with an agenda.
Q.what obscured agenda do you see?
A.My agenda - as always is e pluribus unum

I have gone at this 60 ways from Sunday -with the same ideas. so why do you continue to debate it?
Am i not clear? what else do you want answered?
 
She wants all Libertarians to die. Who else has been as vocal as Libertarians about ending the drug war? No one.

So she's saying even though I may disagree with you on some things I'm not willing to work with you in this most important measure to me? I'd just rather you die?

Not really sure how that helps further the stated cause but that's just me.

SF looking strong in the battle for the number one pick next year!

It's because you don't see it from her perspective brother. I do.

She does not trust you. She does not trust libertarians. She trusts only what she knows is trustworthy. Neither she, nor I, she America through the same prism that you do.

Such is the bane of allowing actual black people on a discussion board. They're going to tell you what they think from a very different perspective than you may have.

The cause is furthered by discovering the common ground that speaks for us all.
 
WE who are watching them don't give a fuck if you and Bozo aren't.

There are millions and millions of Americans tuned into the most watched sport in America. .. and still more popular than Donald Trump. :0)

I have long since liberated myself from the shackles of Sunday football. I used to live and die with the Baltimore Colts.
which is not to say I will not watch- but it's casual when I do..boob tube time
 
The only person tieing the anthem to the protest is YOU and the rest of racist white America.

No you stupid nigger the players tied the protest to the anthem by protesting during the anthem.

You and dump want to rob the players of their dignity just like back in the slave days.

I would much rather rob them of their monkey lives but I'll settle for resegregating football, don't want to keep the niggers on the NFL plantation do we?

Black labor power is in the NFL. I know you racist fucks think those Black men wont walk away from money, but keep showing your hoods and you will see what happens.

dump nor the NFL can force anyone to stand for your fucking ill-gotten racist ass flag. This aint the 1800's.

We can kick the niggers out of the NFL or continue the boycott until the NFL goes bankrupt, then who are the trained monkeys going to play for?
 
It's because you don't see it from her perspective brother. I do.

She does not trust you. She does not trust libertarians. She trusts only what she knows is trustworthy. Neither she, nor I, she America through the same prism that you do.

Such is the bane of allowing actual black people on a discussion board. They're going to tell you what they think from a very different perspective than you may have.

The cause is furthered by discovering the common ground that speaks for us all.

Discussions are good. Different opinions are good. I don't shy away from them.

Saying I want you to die generally doesn't foster good discussions or much change.
 
I have COME UP WITH A SOLUTION to ineffective Grand Juries - allowing a CRBrd the power to empanel a grand jury, instead of relying on local prosecutors agendas.

Now you can tell me that is a good idea or not, but it's certainly more on my part then supplying tea and sympathy.

I can't say this any clearer: so listen up so we get get off this merry-go-round

1. I support the agenda
2 I do not support the protest during the anthem. Proximate kneeling either before or after is fine/
3.my opinion is you would still ge t the needed coverage, but you wouldn't get the blowback associated with
the protests if you separated it - even keeping a proximate in time display.


Q.what obscured agenda do you see?
A.My agenda - as always is e pluribus unum

I have gone at this 60 ways from Sunday -with the same ideas. so why do you continue to debate it?
Am i not clear? what else do you want answered?

They could simply play the anthem they way they play it in college games .. before the teams take the field.

That solves nothing.

The flag is a strawman, and effective protests ignore the strawman.

If some segment of the population wants to focus on flags, so be it. Keep moving in the same direction a if you never saw them. This is not about them, it's about police violence .. and the formula in play right now is working .. else we wouldn't be talking about it.

Accept the fact that we can't please Trump and his followers no matter what we do .. and the question is, why would we want to.

I accept that your argument is in the manner in which the protests take place .. but you've not given an example of how these protests take better advantage of the stage then what it's doing right now.

The goal is awareness and action, not soothing the whims of people put off by a flag.
 
I haven't been around much since this new one showed up. If this is all he does, we'll get him. :)

He drops n-bombs every thread. I respect the libertarian idea the board tries to foster but this person is a straight up troll who you have kicked off multiple times before and has no interest in conversation other to call people the n word.
 
Also, all NFL games have some time of pre-game show. A lot of those times (on TV) they devote 5 minutes or so to a particular player and a type of cause, personal or community activity he's involved with. So, there would then be no need to associate patriotic ceremonies with everyone standing and participating, with outside issues. Seems to me that this would solve a lot of problems for everybody. Just a thought.
 
They could simply play the anthem they way they play it in college games .. before the teams take the field.

That solves nothing.

The flag is a strawman, and effective protests ignore the strawman.
i've gone over this a zillion times...
You not caring about the flag/anthem being hijacked for a marginal issue
(marginal meaning important -but far from universal) is the minority.
More people care about the brief but significant nod to the flag/anthem "and which it stands" then not.
America is still a fairly patriotic country.

If some segment of the population wants to focus on flags, so be it. Keep moving in the same direction a if you never saw them. This is not about them, it's about police violence .. and the formula in play right now is working .. else we wouldn't be talking about it.
talking about it isn't influencing opinion, nor it is specially productive without means of redress.

Accept the fact that we can't please Trump and his followers no matter what we do .. and the question is, why would we want to.
Trump was speaking for us deplorable. I do not expect or particularly desire your pleasure

I accept that your argument is in the manner in which the protests take place .. but you've not given an example of how these protests take better advantage of the stage then what it's doing right now.
OK .glad we agree on this. I have given you a couple of scenarios of eliciting awareness without the blowback from disrespecting the anthem
The goal is awareness and action, not soothing the whims of people put off by a flag.
good protests also work to change public opinion. It's more then base awareness that effects change
 
Also, all NFL games have some time of pre-game show. A lot of those times (on TV) they devote 5 minutes or so to a particular player and a type of cause, personal or community activity he's involved with. So, there would then be no need to associate patriotic ceremonies with everyone standing and participating, with outside issues. Seems to me that this would solve a lot of problems for everybody. Just a thought.
yep. there are many ways to raise consciousness without insulting the flag
 
yep. there are many ways to raise consciousness without insulting the flag

Get this - the agenda is expanding:


CNN contributor Donte Stallworth said Saturday that the NFL kneeling protests aren’t just about police brutality and racism, but also about the “gender pay gap.”

Stallworth, a former NFL wide receiver, said, “The number one stated goal was to bring awareness to a lot of these issues and again, its a broad spectrum of issues. Again, it’s not just police brutality and community policing.”

“It’s also, again from what I’m hearing from players directly involved in these talks–they’re telling me it’s also about the gender pay gap, it’s also about housing discrimination, they have so many things that they are interested in and advocating for and they want the NFL to take ownership in and help be able to use the NFL’s platform. Not just the players platform but the NFL’s platform and that from what I am hearing is a big conversation.”

WELCOME TO THE SJW NATIONAL PROTEST LEAGUE


:rofl2:

http://dailycaller.com/2017/10/14/cnn-contributor-nfl-kneeling-is-also-about-gender-pay-gap-video/?utm_source=site-share
 
JFChrist..kneeling isn't the problem. kneeling during the anthem is the problem.

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I nominate this as one of the most freakisly incongruous and bizarrely ironic posts in the history of jpp.com.

You have made a message board history of defending the Confederate States of American, defending Confederate generals who took up arms against the government of the United States and against the armed forces of the United States, and you have demanded that we use our public commons to display statues of Confederate generals who unequivocally committed treason and fought on behalf of a slave economy.


It takes a lot of nerve for a world class apologist for the Confederacy to wail about some dudes taking a knee during a ball game tune. It is comedy gold, I tell ya!
 
Is it karma that Aaron Rodgers broke his collarbone? Makes me glad.

I hope every player who kneels suffers a career ending injury and ends up stocking shelves at a grocery store


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yep. there are many ways to raise consciousness without insulting the flag

IMHO it was wrong to ever marry the 2 issues together in the 1st place. It caused division and disunity.
Let the pre-game networks tape some interviews during the week with players who can speak clearly, without distractions about their racial concerns.
And, then unite to respectfully honor the flag and anthem of the UNITED States.
 
I nominate this as one of the most freakisly incongruous and bizarrely ironic posts in the history of jpp.com.

You have made a message board history of defending the Confederate States of American, defending Confederate generals who took up arms against the government of the United States and against the armed forces of the United States, and you have demanded that we use our public commons to display statues of Confederate generals who unequivocally committed treason and fought on behalf of a slave economy.


It takes a lot of nerve for a world class apologist for the Confederacy to wail about some dudes taking a knee during a ball game tune. It is comedy gold, I tell ya!
bird dogging me with issues outside the OP is gossipy/girlish type of posting.
further :cherry picking a part of my quote is a disservice to the readers-hopefully I need not explain why?

I have given sound reasoning for why some statues should be removed and others not.
I am not about to continue your de-railment of this topic in a desperate 1/2 measured attempt to do whatever you think you are accomplishing
 
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