Now, what happened to the Durham Report?

Concart said:
Yep, it went the way of the Russia investigation, except for the dozens of indictments, the multiple findings of obstruction of justice by the President of the United States, and the evidence that the Trump campaign accepted help from the Russians. Other than that, exactly the same. I'm absolutely certain that Biden will not have to have his AG spin the findings.... since there won't be any.

:rofl2::rofl2:
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no evidence of Russian collusion. no indictments of POTUS for obstruction.
all the indictments were "process crimes" - do you understand that term?

It means if there were no Mueller, there would have been no process crimes.
Mueller created his own crimes and then indicted them
 
Mueller’s Own Report Undercuts Its Core Russia-Meddling Claims
https://www.realclearinvestigations...ndercuts_its_core_russia-meddling_claims.html


*The report uses qualified and vague language to describe key events, indicating that Mueller and his investigators do not actually know for certain whether Russian intelligence officers stole Democratic Party emails, or how those emails were transferred to WikiLeaks.
*The report's timeline of events appears to defy logic. According to its narrative, WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange announced the publication of Democratic Party emails not only before he received the documents but before he even communicated with the source that provided them.
*There is strong reason to doubt Mueller’s suggestion that an alleged Russian cutout called Guccifer 2.0 supplied the stolen emails to Assange.
*Mueller’s decision not to interview Assange – a central figure who claims Russia was not behind the hack – suggests an unwillingness to explore avenues of evidence on fundamental questions.
*U.S. intelligence officials cannot make definitive conclusions about the hacking of the Democratic National Committee computer servers because they did not analyze those servers themselves. Instead, they relied on the forensics of CrowdStrike, a private contractor for the DNC that was not a neutral party, much as “Russian dossier” compiler Christopher Steele, also a DNC contractor, was not a neutral party. This puts two Democrat-hired contractors squarely behind underlying allegations in the affair – a key circumstance that Mueller ignores.
* Further, the government allowed CrowdStrike and the Democratic Party's legal counsel to submit redacted records, meaning CrowdStrike and not the government decided what could be revealed or not regarding evidence of hacking.
*Mueller’s report conspicuously does not allege that the Russian government carried out the social media campaign. Instead it blames, as Mueller said in his closing remarks, "a private Russian entity" known as the Internet Research Agency (IRA).
*Mueller also falls far short of proving that the Russian social campaign was sophisticated, or even more than minimally related to the 2016 election. As with the collusion and Russian hacking allegations, Democratic officials had a central and overlooked hand in generating the alarm about Russian social media activity.
 
dukkha said:
Russiaphobic garbage. Mueller and the FBI and Dems live off it
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Russia had a huge staff hacking into America. They were at a million a month range. Trump's people were in direct communication with them. We know that.
Now Russia has hacked into our electric grid, our businesses, our intelligence agencies, and everything else you can imagine. The Russian hacking should be a dread for all of us. It was not for trump because it helped him. He goes no further than that.
 
Nordberg said:
Russia had a huge staff hacking into America. They were at a million a month range.
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no.. details at link
https://www.realclearinvestigations...ndercuts_its_core_russia-meddling_claims.html
*Mueller’s report conspicuously does not allege that the Russian government carried out the social media campaign. Instead it blames, as Mueller said in his closing remarks, "a private Russian entity" known as the Internet Research Agency (IRA).

*Mueller also falls far short of proving that the Russian social campaign was sophisticated, or even more than minimally related to the 2016 election.

Nordberg said:
Trump's people were in direct communication with them. We know that.
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da Russians!
who is "they?"
Russian government officials, or oligarchs, or political players? "they" is so vague as to have no meaning

Nordberg said:
Now Russia has hacked into our electric grid, our businesses, our intelligence agencies, and everything else you can imagine. The Russian hacking should be a dread for all of us.
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yes by all means go on "imagination" for a template to deal with Russia. :palm:
do you see why I keep saying we are stuck on Russiaphobia?
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but TY! for a thoughtful post. :thumbsup: Those are the typical concerns we conjure up
 
In fact, Mueller does not directly attribute that campaign to the Russian government, and makes only the barest attempt to imply a Kremlin connection.
According to Mueller, and companies he controlled." the social media "form of Russian election influence came principally from the Internet Research Agency (IRA), a Russian organization funded by Yevgeniy Viktorovich Prigozhin

After two years and $35 million, Mueller apparently failed to uncover any direct evidence linking the Prigozhin-controlled IRA's activities to the Kremlin.
His best evidence is that numerous media sources have reported on Prigozhin's ties to Putin, and the two have appeared together in public photographs."

The footnote for this references a lone article in the New York Times.
(Both the Times and the Washington Post are cited frequently throughout the report.
The two outlets received and published intelligence community leaks throughout the Russia probe.)

In a newly unsealed July 1 ruling, a federal judge rebuked Mueller and the Justice Department for suggesting that the troll farm's social media activities "were undertaken on behalf of, if not at the direction of, the Russian government.
U.S. District Judge Dabney Friedrich said Mueller's February 2018 indictment "does not link the [IRA] to the Russian government"
and alleges "only private conduct by private actors."
The judge added the government's statements violate a prohibiting lawyers from making claims that would prejudice a case.

Even putting aside the complete absence of a Kremlin role, the case that the Russian government sought to influence the U.S. election via a social media campaign is hard to grasp given how minuscule it was.
That amounts to about 0.05% of the $81 million spent on Facebook ads by the Clinton and Trump campaigns combined -- which is itself a tiny fraction of the estimated $2 billion spent by the candidates and their supporting PACS.

Then there is the fact that so little of this supposed election interference campaign content actually concerned the election
.A report commissioned by the U.S. Senate that found that “explicitly political content was a small percentage” of the content attributed to the IRA. The IRA’s posts "were minimally about the candidates," with “roughly 6% of tweets, 18% of Instagram posts, and 7% of Facebook posts" having "mentioned Trump or Clinton by name."
 
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The FBI in July 2016 began investigating whether the Trump campaign was coordinating with Russia to sway the outcome of the presidential election. That probe was inherited nearly a year later by special counsel Mueller, who ultimately did not find enough evidence to charge Trump or any of his associates with conspiring with Russia.

The early months of the investigation, when agents obtained secret surveillance warrants targeting a former Trump campaign aide, have long been scrutinized by Trump and other critics of the probe who say the FBI made significant errors. A Justice Department inspector general report backed up that criticism but did not find evidence that mistakes in the surveillance applications and other problems with the probe were driven by partisan bias.

Durham’s investigation, which the Justice Department has described as a criminal probe, had begun very broadly but Barr said in December that it had “narrowed considerably” and that it was “really is focused on the activities of the Crossfire Hurricane investigation within the FBI.”

Durham’s investigation has so far resulted in one prosecution so far. A former FBI lawyer was sentenced to probation last month for altering an email the Justice Department relied on in its surveillance of an aide to President Donald Trump during the Russia investigation.
https://www.usnews.com/news/politic...special-counsel-overseeing-trump-russia-probe
 
dukkha said:
no evidence of Russian collusion. no indictments of POTUS for obstruction.
all the indictments were "process crimes" - do you understand that term?

It means if there were no Mueller, there would have been no process crimes.
Mueller created his own crimes and then indicted them
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total bullshit. no evidence of russian collusion with high level trump clown car cronies? seriously? what do you call this exchange?

On June 3, 2016 at 10:36 AM, Rob Goldstone wrote:

Good morning

Emin just called and asked me to contact you with something very interesting.

The Crown prosecutor of Russia met with his father Aras this morning and in their meeting offered to provide the Trump campaign with some official documents and information that would incriminate Hillary and her dealings with Russia and would be very useful to your father.

This is obviously very high level and sensitive information but is part of Russia and its government’s support for Mr. Trump—helped along by Aras and Emin.

What do you think is the best way to handle this information and would you be able to speak to Emin about it directly?

I can also send this info to your father via Rhona (Trump's personal secretary), but it is ultra sensitive so wanted to send to you first.

Best

Rob Goldstone

On June 3, 2016 at 10:53 AM, Donald Trump Jr. wrote:

Thanks Rob I appreciate that. I am on the road at the moment but perhaps I just speak to Emin first. Seems we have some time and if it’s what you say I love it especially later in the summer. Could we do a call first thing next week when I am back?

Sent: Monday, June 06, 2016 at 12:40 PM

To: Donald Trump Jr.

Subject: Re: Russia - Clinton - private and confidential

Hi Don

Let me know when you are free to talk with Emin by phone about this Hillary info — you had mentioned early this week so wanted to try to schedule a time and day Best to you and family Rob Goldstone

On Jun 7, 2016, at 4:20 PM, Rob Goldstone wrote:

Don

Hope all is well

Emin asked that I schedule a meeting with you and The Russian government attorney who is flying over from Moscow for this Thursday.

I believe you are aware of the meeting — and so wondered if 3pm or later on Thursday works for you?

I assume it would be at your office.

Best

Rob Goldstone

On Jun 7, 2016, at 18:14, Donald Trump Jr. wrote:

Great. It will likely be Paul Manafort (campaign boss) my brother in law and me. 725 Fifth Ave 25th floor.(Trump Tower)

From: Donald Trump Jr.

Sent: Wednesday, June 08, 2016 12:03PM

To: Jared Kushner; Paul Manafort

Subject: FW: Russia - Clinton - private and confidential

Meeting got moved to 4 tomorrow at my offices.

Best,

Don
 
dukkha said:
no need to SPAM the entire exchange to the Tower meeting.
Mueller never charged any collusion -an offer to meet is not a conspiracy.
You are barking up a worn out tree
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Mueller was never going to charge anyone with collision, criminally, it is next to impossible to prove, besides, he understood Barr’s Imperial Presidency belief would have made it fruitless. Also, keep in mind Mueller was overseen by Rosenstein, a Trump appointee, he was never going to let Mueller go that far, the fact they never pursue Manafort caught exchanging poling data with the Russians proves that

And if you actually think that the Trump Tower meeting wasn’t about working with Russians your beyond gullible
 
archives said:
Mueller was never going to charge anyone with collision, criminally, it is next to impossible to prove, besides, he understood Barr’s Imperial Presidency belief would have made it fruitless. Also, keep in mind Mueller was overseen by Rosenstein, a Trump appointee, he was never going to let Mueller go that far, the fact they never pursue Manafort caught exchanging poling data with the Russians proves that

And if you actually think that the Trump Tower meeting wasn’t about working with Russians your beyond gullible
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WTF? a charge of conspiracy ( legal term for collusion) is not that difficult to prove IF THERE IS EVIDENCE.
Rosenstein was hostile to Trump -remember the exchange about getting Trump on tape
("what do you want me to do Andy -wear a wire") Rosenstein was part of the Comey/McCabe cabal

The Manaford exchange would be under a foreign agent - instead they went after Manafort wit the Big Fish of taxex.

No collusion,no conspiracy, - per Mueller.. Unless you think Mueller was subservient?
( and a Special Counsel is NOT)

Only process crimes and indicting a bunch of Russians -which i blew away last page ( IRAgency)
as being tied to the Kremlin
 
dukkha said:
no need to SPAM the entire exchange to the Tower meeting.
Mueller never charged any collusion -an offer to meet is not a conspiracy.
You are barking up a worn out tree
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fuck you. the russian agent told donnie putin wanted to help trump win by giving him dirt on hillary. donnie said he loved it. he did not forward it to the fbi, like a real american would, he kept it secret, set up a meeting at trump tower with trump's campaign manager and top adviser AND YOU SAY THAT WAS NOT COLLUSION, YOU LYING SACK OF SHIT? you said there was no collusion, that email is evidence of collusion, WHICH IS NOT IN ITSELF ILLEGAL, ASSHOLE. JUST WRONG AS HELL FOR A PRESIDENTIAL CANDIDATE TO DO IN SECRET.
 
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