ThatOwlWoman
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Sure sounds like it. Once again, I'm sure he was courted by the GOP to enter politics as a "conservative Black man," w/o much, if any, vetting. He fit a demographic that they were trying to attract -- Black voters.
Nude Africa
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Evince's point was that you were making lying seem like an odious attribute particularly associated with politicians. When the fact is, politicians are no more or no less honest than any other human beings. And the fact is, many politicians work at being reliable, straightforward, and trustworthy.
The fact that you had to time travel back deep into the 20th century to track down a fib Joe Biden told just illustrates that as a human being he has, on the whole, been more straightforward and forthcoming than most humans.
Not at all. You should read what I actually said. I merely noted that in order for us on the Left to effectively fight against the lies on the Right we have to first remember that we are not perfect. My point about lying was merely that "all politicians lie" which is simply an aphorism about real life.
We have folks on the Left who have lied as well. Politicians do it.
I think the key is that it is CLEAR that there is NO moral equivalent between the lies we see on the Left (pretty mild) and the avalanche of lies from the Trump camp. But in order to talk rationally to the opposing side we have to grant that we are not perfected beings of pure light.
That really had nothing to do with the point other than to note that even the BEST politicians have done some bad shit sometimes.
Nothing more.
I'd suggest you go back and read what I actually originally wrote.
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
That sounds typical of Team Trump.
ThatOwlWoman
Not Nice
Because it is.
"Bad shit"? That was a youthful error in judgement that a 20 year old kid made in a college class, half a century ago. What you call "bad shit" I call a youthful error that he paid a price for by failing the class.
If you are really worried about the evils of plagiarism, this board has no end of frantic Googlers who plagiarize from Wikipedia and elsewhere on the internet. Why complain about a case a kid made half a century ago?
What Evince is saying is that you are time travelling back to the 20th century to find "bad shit" Biden did, in an attempt to equate it morally to what Trump or Mark Robinson do.
Look, Cypress, I know you can't possibly allow anything I say to just be what it actually was and you want to make some big shit out of it. I'm not really feeling it today. It wasn't meant as anything more than a simple accession that in order to take on the lies on one side we need to remember that we are also prone to it from time to time
That's it. Just common human decency and self awareness.
You hate me. Fine. But it shouldn't impact your ability to understand a simple point. But for some reason it does. Give it a rest this time. Please.
Sammy Jankis
Was it me?
what's a troth?
Dutch Uncle
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Agreed about trying to equate youthful mistakes 50 years ago with lies and criminal actions being done in the present.
Weird that a guy who lies about sock puppets and PhDs is so keen on picking out Biden and other politicians as being uniquely and particularly odious and unrepentant liars.
Dutch Uncle
* Tertia Optio * Defend the Constitution
Perry has always been a queer duck....and I'm not referencing his homoerotic flirting with you nor his pedo accusations against me.
He clearly has issues.
Taichiliberal
Shaken, not stirred!
Essentially, you're saying "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone".
Okay, I get that and you're MORE than justified to point it out.
However,
If you do a comparison on such rhetoric and actions since the advent of the "new conservative" to todays "MAGA" movement, you'll find that the Dems can't hold a candle to the Republicans.