Obama's idea to attack Al-Quaeda within Pakistan nets Senior Al-Qaeda leader

Damocles said:
So now we are back to the "He said it too!" as evidence. Weak, so very very weak. Adding more people to the list of "He said it too!" is not evidence of him promoting a war with anybody.


LOL. Again, somebody else calling him a warmonger is not evidence, even if it is Ron Paul.

And "Stronger than Bush" on Iran. What does that mean? Bush has done nothing there, McCain suggested Diplomacy. His "remarks" that Bolton is speaking of are the one that you posted before that he'd "Consult with Congress." Wow. I'm impressed.

And Pat Buchanan saying that he thinks we'll be at war with Iran is not impressive as evidence of "war mongering". Didn't Buchanan predict an attack of some sort by the end of 2007? He's not very good at that.

In order to show evidence of McCain "war mongering" you'd have to show me how he has promoted actually going to war with these people without regard to public opinion or to congress.

So far, you have not provided evidence other than "They think so too!" Which has already been discredited. It doesn't matter if it is "LadyT thinks so too, or Bolton thinks so too!" They are both not evidence of him war mongering.

Once again, any current statement by him actually promoting going to war with Iran, shoot with anybody at all, would be acceptable as evidence of "war mongering".

Now more "Hawkish", that is an opinion, they are like a-holes, everybody has at least one. But "Mongering" denotes an urge to promote it without responsibility, in order to prove "mongering" I need an actual promotion of a war. Something like, "I think we should go to war" or "I think diplomacy has failed" that one would work too.

Basically, I have asked directly several times for one statement of McCain's that actually has him saying that we should go to war with another nation, like Bush did when he spoke of failed diplomacy. So far you have given me, "I would consult Congress." and a stupid joke before speaking of diplomacy (at least you found a link with McCain actually saying something, better than most have even attempted). And then continued with the "They think it too!" strategy.

So far all I have is talking points and think progress links with the "they agree with me" tagline or actual quotes of McCain's saying he would actually do what the constitution says and consult congress. Wow, yeah. Again, if that is what constitutes "war mongering" then Obama's "I'd attack in Pakistan without any diplomatic permission if intel says we should." is definitely "mongering".
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Your asking for evidence that is impossible to find. And I think I know why.

If you're waiting for a direct statement from McCain that he intends to invade iraq when elected, you aren't going to find it. No president in history has telegraphed a direct intent to start a war. Bush never said in 2002 that he was certainly going to attack iraq. I'm sure bush voters (and yourself?) spent much time saying that bush there was no evidence that bush was going to attack iraq, and he was using diplomacy. I'm quite sure in 1990, Poppy Bush never telegraphed that he wanted to attack Panama. Even though we all know he was planning it for months.

All we can judge on is rhetoric, bellicose statements and past actions. McCain comes up as a war monger on all three. And in my judgement, and the judgement of the one candidate you enthusiastically supported (ron paul), McCain intends to use military force on iran, and he explicitly is on record in favor of continuing and possibly expanding the iraq war.
 
Cypress said:
Your asking for evidence that is impossible to find. And I think I know why.

If you're waiting for a direct statement from McCain that he intends to invade iraq when elected, you aren't going to find it. No president in history has telegraphed a direct intent to start a war. Bush never said in 2002 that he was certainly going to attack iraq. I'm sure bush voters (and yourself?) spent much time saying that bush there was no evidence that bush was going to attack iraq, and he was using diplomacy. I'm quite sure in 1990, Poppy Bush never telegraphed that he wanted to attack Panama. Even though we all know he was planning it for months.

All we can judge on is rhetoric, bellicose statements and past actions. McCain comes up as a war monger on all three. And in my judgement, and the judgement of the one candidate you enthusiastically supported (ron paul), McCain intends to use military force on iran, and he explicitly is on record in favor of continuing and possibly expanding the iraq war.
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No, it isn't impossible to find.

RStrings found it. You will even see me speaking of it on the board. "Pat Buchanan says" isn't evidence. What John McCain says is.

You are supporting your opinion with only hot air and the opinion of others. That is weak.

There is nothing larger that tells me that people most often form their opinion then seek "facts" that support their opinion than a desperate lefty quoting Buchanan as evidence.
 
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