Dutch Uncle
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You know that's the same logic the Native Americans used about Eurotrash, right?
Do you recall what Stephen Hawking said about it?
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You know that's the same logic the Native Americans used about Eurotrash, right?
Do you recall what Stephen Hawking said about it?
You know that's the same logic the Native Americans used about Eurotrash, right?
Do you recall what Stephen Hawking said about it?
I don't know where you're going with the 'same logic" comment. As if that is relevant, which it is not.
Regarding Hawkins, "appeal to authority", and in my opinion he was overrated anyway.
Dutch Uncle
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Sorry man, you lost me. What are you trying to say? That other civilizations can or can't exist?....but they'll never be able to contact us or us them?
Why can't they contact us or vice versa?
Dude, there are trillions of galaxies in the universe, probably many like ours, and ours has over 2000 solar systems. So the chance of life on another planet somewhere is mathematically very high if not definite. All too far away for any communication.
Dutch Uncle
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Agreed. Weren't we were agreeing that the math is based on guesses?
If you find a single weed in your yard, it's a pretty good fucking guess you have more. If you never have weeds in your yard. Ever. No matter how hard you search, by what logic do you deduce the neighbor has weeds? Did you see them? Do the math.
Agreed. Weren't we were agreeing that the math is based on guesses?
If you find a single weed in your yard, it's a pretty good fucking guess you have more. If you never have weeds in your yard. Ever. No matter how hard you search, by what logic do you deduce the neighbor has weeds? Did you see them? Do the math.
I think your analogy is poorly thought out at best.
Here on planet Earth scientists have found life just about everywhere. Scientists use these life forms to to clean up wastes, manufacture of foods, beverages, medicines. There are even bacteria that consume hazardous materials such as spilled petroleum n soils and groundwater. In my studies and career I've come to the conclusion that if there is a source of energy, then there will be a life form to consume it.
Dutch Uncle
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This is Earth. So far no life on any other planet in the Solar System despite decades of looking. No signs of past life either.
Dutch Uncle
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Nice try at ignoring my argument completely.
That's the problem. I can't figure out what the fuck your argument is. I even restated it and you just ignored it. Do you have an argument?
Agreed. Weren't we were agreeing that the math is based on guesses?
If you find a single weed in your yard, it's a pretty good fucking guess you have more. If you never have weeds in your yard. Ever. No matter how hard you search, by what logic do you deduce the neighbor has weeds? Did you see them? Do the math.
It's all there for you to re-read and try to absorb it a second time.
Dutch Uncle
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Awesome. You must be very proud.
Meanwhile, back to the main conversation:
Agreed. All current evidence and math points to Door #2.
It's not #1 because there's no evidence of magic or supernatural occurrences. If it was #3, we'd be seeing signs of life, even past life, within the Solar System.
There are other possibilities, not just three.
Dutch Uncle
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Feel free to add to the list.
Out of the trillions of galaxies you think there's only one planet that life inhabits?
Dutch Uncle
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Scroll up, Joe. BTDT
Since those three are endpoints, I intellectually aim for a midpoint bewtween 2 and 3.
2.5 so to speak.
Life in the universe may not be ubiquitous. But it might not be exceedingly rare or unique either. It might just be very uncommon.
Dutch Uncle
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They are 3 generalities. Sure, it might be 2.5, but the options are as you listed them.
I'm still with Door #2. Maybe Perseverance will make me reconsider.
Is silicon-based life possible?
Notes I took from Professor Ahern's biochemistry class:
Sulfur, phosphorus, oxygen, nitrogen, carbon, and hydrogen account for the main six elements found in every single living organism we know of.
These elements can make multiple chemical bonds or share electrons to make covalent bonds. This is necessary for making long-chain biomolecules. Other elements abundant in the environment (aluminum, iron, sodium, etc.) cannot do what these elements can do.
Carbon's ability to make four bonds also makes it central to the construction of large and complicated bio-molecules. No other elements in the environment have the ability to from four, complex covalent bonds like carbon. A notable exception is silicon, but carbon is probably a better atom for building larger molecules. Some scientists wonder if silicon-based life is possible on exoplanets.
Notes I took from Professor Ahern's biochemistry class:
Sulfur, phosphorus, oxygen, nitrogen, carbon, and hydrogen account for the main six elements found in every single living organism we know of.
These elements can make multiple chemical bonds or share electrons to make covalent bonds. This is necessary for making long-chain biomolecules. Other elements abundant in the environment (aluminum, iron, sodium, etc.) cannot do what these elements can do.
Carbon's ability to make four bonds also makes it central to the construction of large and complicated bio-molecules. No other elements in the environment have the ability to from four, complex covalent bonds like carbon. A notable exception is silicon, but carbon is probably a better atom for building larger molecules. Some scientists wonder if silicon-based life is possible on exoplanets.
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Good answer. I appreciate it.