Origin of Life

Cypress said:
Nothing remotely idiotic about it. His comment indicates a perceptive understanding of the scientific debate around abiogenesis. The junkyard tornado fallacy is a valid scientific insight which has been shared by reputable scientists.

This you were obviously unaware of.
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Bobbie is proud of being a 9th Grade dropout. It shows.


Bulletbob said:
You think your better then others just like dutch . your both arrogant assholes. And have inflated egos and opinions of your self.
No I didnt go beyond the 9th grade because I had to worl when my grandparents who raised me got sick . I ran the farm and worked also. Until they died to pay them back for caring for me.
Yep My grammer is bad so 8s my spelling.My typing is awful
But I still managed to work on the space shuttle and eelv program . I also mananged to teach a class for a university .
I managed to work for companys like digital eqt.
So you can suck it asshole. You or dutch are no better then I am and I doubt iq wise your smarter.
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Bulletbob said:
Yes I went to 3 rd grade But I never got past 9th grade I had to go to work to help support my family the farms revenues were not cutting the mustard .
Yes my spelling can be poor and I dont always use the appropriate word selection.
No I got the nick name bullet bob for what I did to some trespasser on our property when I was young.
A gr Group of local dope head were partying away making a mess out of a corner of one of our fields throwing trash and damaging the field in general , then they made the mistake of threatening to beat me up. I was outnumbered 4 to one . So I went back to the house and retrieved my 3030 marlin and went back to discuss the issue with them. I put 2 rounds of 3030 into the trunk of their car to get their attention so they would know I was serious and then explained what I would do to them if I ever saw them on our property again.
I believe it induced the right response in them.
This was in my youth when I was a different person , I was young . I can look back now and regret the incident . Any other comments or questions from the grammar police ? You now get one cookie for catching me in a grammar error , good job byou also get a silver star for your paper.
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Dutch Uncle said:
Bobbie is proud of being a 9th Grade dropout. It shows.
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I won't begrudge him a 9th grade education, if he made subsequent efforts at self improvement and to become well read.

Which obviously is not the case.

I try to keep my mouth shut on topics I know nothing about. Boob does not appear to share that practice.
 
Cypress said:
I won't begrudge him a 9th grade education, if he made subsequent efforts at self improvement and to become well read.

Which obviously is not the case.

I try to keep my mouth shut on topics I know nothing about. Boob does not appear to share that practice.
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Which is his major problem. IIRC, he did obtain his GED. While quitting school to work was once common, he's not that old. Given his behavior and attitude, I think he more likely quit to get that "great job" at the gas station because he didn't like "skoolin'" and liked money instead.

After 40-50 years, saying he dropped out to help his parents played better at job interviews.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Which is his major problem. IIRC, he did obtain his GED. While quitting school to work was once common, he's not that old. Given his behavior and attitude, I think he more likely quit to get that "great job" at the gas station because he didn't like "skoolin'" and liked money instead.

After 40-50 years, saying he dropped out to help his parents played better at job interviews.
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yes dutch I earned a ged and went to trade schools I have worked for digital eqt ma bell , worked in a nuke plant in surry va worked on the shuttle and eelv and several small rockets and satellites among several other jobs what have you done to compare tell us all about it
 
Cypress said:
Notes I took from Professor Ahern's biochemistry class:


Sulfur, phosphorus, oxygen, nitrogen, carbon, and hydrogen account for the main six elements found in every single living organism we know of.

These elements can make multiple chemical bonds or share electrons to make covalent bonds. This is necessary for making long-chain biomolecules. Other elements abundant in the environment (aluminum, iron, sodium, etc.) cannot do what these elements can do.

Carbon's ability to make four bonds also makes it central to the construction of large and complicated bio-molecules. No other elements in the environment have the ability to from four, complex covalent bonds like carbon. A notable exception is silicon, but carbon is probably a better atom for building larger molecules. Some scientists wonder if silicon-based life is possible on exoplanets.
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That fact that carbon is ubiquitous in the universe argues for life arising elsewhere as well as here, don't you think?
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
That fact that carbon is ubiquitous in the universe argues for life arising elsewhere as well as here, don't you think?
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It seems like carbon is the ideal element for life, and probably the only one capable of forming organic bio-molecules.

The 64,000 question is whether it was a freak occurrence that carbon-based molecules somehow organized themselves into unfathomabley complex proteins, organelles, and self-replicating complex cellular structures... a freak occurrence? Or something which happens routinely in the universe?
 
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Cypress said:
It seems like carbon is the ideal element for life, and probably the only one capable of forming organic bio-molecules.

The 64,000 question is whether it was a freak occurrence that carbon-based molecules somehow organized themselves into unfathomabley complex proteins, organelles, and self-replicating complex cellular structures... a freak occurrence? Or something which happens routinely in the universe?
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Given the known number of mass extinction events in our planet's history, I'd say that it's inevitable that elements will combine, form organic molecules, and thus life. We've started over from scratch more than once!
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
Given the known number of mass extinction events in our planet's history, I'd say that it's inevitable that elements will combine, form organic molecules, and thus life. We've started over from scratch more than once!
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A good point, but my response is that life continued to exist through the mass extinction events. Mass extinctions generally never killed more than 50 to 70 percent of species. So it was the mechanisms of speciation and natural selection which operated to create more and newer species after extinction events.

We do not know what the mechanism was which caused the jump from a soup of molecules, to unfathomabley complex, self-replicating cellular structures. This is outside the theory of natural selection.

And we might never know, though we obviously will keep searching for the answer.
 
Cypress said:
A good point, but my response is that life continued to exist through the mass extinction events. Mass extinctions generally never killed more than 50 to 70 percent of species. So it was the mechanisms of speciation and natural selection which operated to create more and newer species after extinction events.
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More than that -- close to 100%! ( https://www.cnn.com/2019/09/04/us/life-on-earth-wiped-out-2-billion-years-scn-trnd/index.html )

We do not know what the mechanism was which caused the jump from a soup of molecules, to unfathomabley complex, self-replicating cellular structures. This is outside the theory of natural selection.

And we might never know, though we obviously will keep searching for the answer.
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Hopefully someday we'll discover life just beginning on a moon in the Solar System, or on an exoplanet, and then we'll have a better idea of how it began here. Maybe Mars may hold some answers too.
 
Cypress said:
It seems like carbon is the ideal element for life, and probably the only one capable of forming organic bio-molecules.

The 64,000 question is whether it was a freak occurrence that carbon-based molecules somehow organized themselves into unfathomabley complex proteins, organelles, and self-replicating complex cellular structures... a freak occurrence? Or something which happens routinely in the universe?
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you are wrong and dont seem to know much about chemistry or life
 
Bulletbob said:
you are wrong and dont seem to know much about chemistry or life
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Feel perfectly free to articulate about the other elements besides carbon which are capable of forming four covalent bonds, and organize themselves into long chain polymers, amino acids, and proteins.
 
Cypress said:
Feel perfectly free to articulate about the other elements besides carbon which are capable of forming four covalent bonds, and organize themselves into long chain polymers, amino acids, and proteins.
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Silicon.

https://www.astrobio.net/news-exclusive/possibility-silicon-based-life-grows/
POSSIBILITY OF SILICON-BASED LIFE GROWS
Carbon is the backbone of every known biological molecule. Life on Earth is based on carbon, likely because each carbon atom can form bonds with up to four other atoms simultaneously. This quality makes carbon well-suited to form the long chains of molecules that serve as the basis for life as we know it, such as proteins and DNA.

Still, researchers have long speculated that alien life could have a completely different chemical basis than life on Earth. For example, instead of relying on water as the solvent in which biological molecules operate, perhaps aliens might depend on ammonia or methane. And instead of relying on carbon to create the molecules of life, perhaps aliens could use silicon.

Carbon and silicon are chemically very similar in that silicon atoms can also each form bonds with up to four other atoms simultaneously. Moreover, silicon is one of the most common elements in the Universe. For example, silicon makes up almost 30 percent of the mass of the Earth’s crust, and is roughly 150 times more abundant than carbon in the Earth’s crust.

Scientists have long known that life on Earth is capable of chemically manipulating silicon. For instance, microscopic particles of silicon dioxide called phytoliths can be found in grasses and other plants, and photosynthetic algae known as diatoms incorporate silicon dioxide into their skeletons. However, there are no known natural instances of life on Earth combining silicon and carbon together into molecules.

Bulletbob said:
all life isnt going to necessary be carbon based. just like with you all baby's are not born from taking it in the ass like you do
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Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Too bad you can't offer other theories, Bobbie. No doubt you overhead NASA scientists talking while you swept around them and cleaned their coffee cup.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Silicon.

https://www.astrobio.net/news-exclusive/possibility-silicon-based-life-grows/
POSSIBILITY OF SILICON-BASED LIFE GROWS
Carbon is the backbone of every known biological molecule. Life on Earth is based on carbon, likely because each carbon atom can form bonds with up to four other atoms simultaneously. This quality makes carbon well-suited to form the long chains of molecules that serve as the basis for life as we know it, such as proteins and DNA.

Still, researchers have long speculated that alien life could have a completely different chemical basis than life on Earth. For example, instead of relying on water as the solvent in which biological molecules operate, perhaps aliens might depend on ammonia or methane. And instead of relying on carbon to create the molecules of life, perhaps aliens could use silicon.

Carbon and silicon are chemically very similar in that silicon atoms can also each form bonds with up to four other atoms simultaneously. Moreover, silicon is one of the most common elements in the Universe. For example, silicon makes up almost 30 percent of the mass of the Earth’s crust, and is roughly 150 times more abundant than carbon in the Earth’s crust.

Scientists have long known that life on Earth is capable of chemically manipulating silicon. For instance, microscopic particles of silicon dioxide called phytoliths can be found in grasses and other plants, and photosynthetic algae known as diatoms incorporate silicon dioxide into their skeletons. However, there are no known natural instances of life on Earth combining silicon and carbon together into molecules.



Even a broken clock is right twice a day. Too bad you can't offer other theories, Bobbie. No doubt you overhead NASA scientists talking while you swept around them and cleaned their coffee cup.
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Yes, I know about silicon, but it is sheer speculation that silicon based life can exists.

I mentioned silicon here https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?162896-Origin-of-Life&p=4457069#post4457069

Boob suggested I was an idiot for claiming all life as we conceive it is carbon based.

Silicon chemistry is probably not going to be as efficient as carbon in forming long chain bio-molecules and polymers
 
Cypress said:
Feel perfectly free to articulate about the other elements besides carbon which are capable of forming four covalent bonds, and organize themselves into long chain polymers, amino acids, and proteins.
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Bob had to pay someone to take the GED for him when he was 47. I'm pretty sure he has no clue what a covalent bond is, but he's frantically searching through his porn collection now to see if it's in there. :laugh:
 
Cypress said:
Yes, I know about silicon, but it is sheer speculation that silicon based life can exists.

I mentioned silicon here https://www.justplainpolitics.com/showthread.php?162896-Origin-of-Life&p=4457069#post4457069

Boob suggested I was an idiot for claiming all life as we conceive it is carbon based.

Silicon chemistry is probably not going to be as efficient as carbon in forming long chain bio-molecules and polymers
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Agreed, but it's sheer speculation any life other than on Earth exists.

Biochemically, silicon can work. Such a life form may not need oxygen to thrive. They would be happy on gas giants.

FWIW, everything Bobbie says should be verified since his suitcase is not longer tightly packed.
 
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