APP - Overpopulation Myth

http://windfarms.wordpress.com/2008/03/30/earth-hour-scam-world-wild-life-fund-scam/

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I hope this helps you understand the WWF and the ‘green movement’ in general. The people and groups below fund and use NGO’s to convince you that ‘global warming’ is both real and a threat to the very survival of the human race. Global warming is neither real nor a threat.


Environmentalism (for their purposes) has nothing to do with the environment and the sooner people understand this the better.

UNESCO has control of the education system which means these people have control of your child’s mind.

Are these the people your want to entrust your children to?

Meet the real threat to humanity!


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Prince Philip’s principal collaborators in launching the WWF as a funding and worldwide operations arm of the International Union for the Conservation of Nature, were Sir Julian Huxley and Max Nicholson, both ardent advocates of eugenics and racial purification. In fact, Huxley was president of the Eugenics Society when he co-founded the WWF. First, as head of the United Nations Educational, Social and Cultural Organization (Unesco), and later as a WWF founder, Huxley preached the need to revive race science and the urgent mission of “culling the human herd”–particularly of the darker-skinned races of Africa and South America. In the founding document of Unesco, Huxley had frankly acknowledged the difficulties he would encounter in reviving eugenics, in light of the Nazi genocide. “Even though it is quite true that any radical eugenic policy will be for many years politically and psychologically impossible,” he wrote, “it will be important for Unesco to see that the … public mind is informed of the issues at stake so that much that now is unthinkable may at least become thinkable.”

Interesting...because to date there have been no erradication programs of Africa and Asia noted on any news format other than this jackass or Stormfront or anti-green bloggers (in fact, conservation success noted by legit news sites tell quite a different story), and wind farms are debated thoroughly as to placement, environmental impact, etc....and many projects do not pass local approval for those reasons.

So the eugenics and racists must be beside themselves with frustration

As for wind farms that are up and running

http://www.sciencedirect.com/scienc...serid=10&md5=9adda9c3d8a3d482bc216664e94e8a3e
 
The idea that humans are destroying the planet will inspire people to accept mass murder.

that is their theory.

No stupid, lack of clean drinking water, decent food and housing, access to medicine will cause problems. Who said anything about mass murder as an viable answer? Where do you get this stuff?:rolleyes:
 
No stupid, lack of clean drinking water, decent food and housing, access to medicine will cause problems. Who said anything about mass murder as an viable answer? Where do you get this stuff?:rolleyes:

Apparently you didn't actually read the material I presented to you.

It's hard to argue with someone who's ineducable. No wait. It's actually quite easy. You lose from being ignorant.


First, as head of the United Nations Educational, Social and Cultural Organization (Unesco), and later as a WWF founder, Huxley preached the need to revive race science and the urgent mission of “culling the human herd”–particularly of the darker-skinned races of Africa and South America. In the founding document of Unesco, Huxley had frankly acknowledged the difficulties he would encounter in reviving eugenics, in light of the Nazi genocide. “Even though it is quite true that any radical eugenic policy will be for many years politically and psychologically impossible,” he wrote, “it will be important for Unesco to see that the … public mind is informed of the issues at stake so that much that now is unthinkable may at least become thinkable.”
 
Those who believe humanity is at the thresh hold of catastrophic overpopulation are correct - IF we make only minimal changes to how we feed, clothe and shelter said population.

OTOH, those who maintain the Earth can support a much larger population are also correct, but only if we start changing, significantly, support for that population.

Certainly, simply expanding urban areas to handle population growth is not going to work, as this reduces agricultural lands, stresses the ecology for a large surrounding area, etc. etc. etc. This is due to the fact that, for all intents and purposes, we are supporting ourselves using 6000 year old methods, with (relatively) minor improvements through modern technology. However, when push comes to shove, we are still gathering in groups of inter-supported shelters (cities) while sticking seeds in the ground of surrounding areas, putting the modern version of composted manure on top, and waiting for it to grow into food we can eat; all the time dependent on - and vulnerable to - the vagaries of natural climatic forces. While it is true that since humans first started using determined plots of arable land to propagate domesticated plants, the ability of a single human to grow food has expanded from barely enough for his immediate family to feeding several thousand. But despite that advance, the base methodology is the same - and is starting to run up against the law of diminishing returns.

If a much larger population is to be sustainable, then we need to (literally and figuratively) get our feet out of the furrows and look to new means of food production, as well as how we use all other resources we depend on to run our societies. Food production could be increased dramatically. Using modern technologies, we could literally put food production within the cities themselves, eliminating, or at least greatly easing dependency - and stress - on the surrounding areas. But to do this, we would have to change forever what we use for food. Meat, and even real grains, fruits and cereals would become a rare (and prohibitively expensive) treat. Synthetic similies, made from processed yeasts and algae would become the standard fare for the family dinner table.

Water is composed of the 1st and 8th most abundant elements in the universe. But, for economic reasons, we deplete natural sources at rates far faster than they can replenish. OTOH, we have technology to take any source of wet, and turn it into drinking water, and recycle it at 99%+ efficiency. By our standards, such water is extremely expensive. But, then, at one time common black pepper was literally worth its weight in gold - now its less than an hours labor at minimum wage for a pound. One thing we have seen throughout history: economies --eventually-- (though usually involving much distress and upheaval) adjust to necessity/reality.

As such, overpopulation as an earth-destroying disaster is a boogie. We can and will adapt. Of that, I have little doubt. OTOH, I, personally, would not want to live in the society, or world, that would result from the changes needed to support 20 (or more) billion people on this one, tiny planet.
 
Apparently you didn't actually read the material I presented to you.

It's hard to argue with someone who's ineducable. No wait. It's actually quite easy. You lose from being ignorant.


First, as head of the United Nations Educational, Social and Cultural Organization (Unesco), and later as a WWF founder, Huxley preached the need to revive race science and the urgent mission of “culling the human herd”–particularly of the darker-skinned races of Africa and South America. In the founding document of Unesco, Huxley had frankly acknowledged the difficulties he would encounter in reviving eugenics, in light of the Nazi genocide. “Even though it is quite true that any radical eugenic policy will be for many years politically and psychologically impossible,” he wrote, “it will be important for Unesco to see that the … public mind is informed of the issues at stake so that much that now is unthinkable may at least become thinkable.”

Eugenics: the study of or belief in the possibility of improving the qualities of the human species or a human population, esp. by such means as discouraging reproduction by persons having genetic defects or presumed to have inheritable undesirable traits (negative eugenics) or encouraging reproduction by persons presumed to have inheritable desirable traits (positive eugenics). http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/eugenics

What, exactly, is wrong with trying to prevent genetically damaged children from coming into the world? Who would advocate bringing such children into the world knowing our current political/social system of "every man for himself" and "why should my tax dollars go to help someone else" and other such conventions all pointing to "to hell with the less fortunate"?
 
Apparently you didn't actually read the material I presented to you.

It's hard to argue with someone who's ineducable. No wait. It's actually quite easy. You lose from being ignorant.


First, as head of the United Nations Educational, Social and Cultural Organization (Unesco), and later as a WWF founder, Huxley preached the need to revive race science and the urgent mission of “culling the human herd”–particularly of the darker-skinned races of Africa and South America. In the founding document of Unesco, Huxley had frankly acknowledged the difficulties he would encounter in reviving eugenics, in light of the Nazi genocide. “Even though it is quite true that any radical eugenic policy will be for many years politically and psychologically impossible,” he wrote, “it will be important for Unesco to see that the … public mind is informed of the issues at stake so that much that now is unthinkable may at least become thinkable.”

Liberals blindly support genocides planned by Huxley and infanticides planned by Sanger. TaiChi and other black liberals are blinder than most, unable to see that the killing is aimed at their race.
 
Eugenics: the study of or belief in the possibility of improving the qualities of the human species or a human population, esp. by such means as discouraging reproduction by persons having genetic defects or presumed to have inheritable undesirable traits (negative eugenics) or encouraging reproduction by persons presumed to have inheritable desirable traits (positive eugenics). http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/eugenics

What, exactly, is wrong with trying to prevent genetically damaged children from coming into the world? Who would advocate bringing such children into the world knowing our current political/social system of "every man for himself" and "why should my tax dollars go to help someone else" and other such conventions all pointing to "to hell with the less fortunate"?
You read the dictionary definition, and all you can come up with is it is DESIRABLE to "prevent genetically damaged children from coming into this world." Either you still do not comprehend exactly what eugenics is, or you are among those whom the world should (and does) despise beyond all else.

Do you understand how eugenics would "prevent genetically damaged children from coming into the world"? This is not TREATING sick children through gene therapy. It is keeping them from being born in the first place because they may carry a "damaged" gene. Are you aware that there is not a human being on this planet who does NOT have some damage somewhere in their 46 chromosomes?

What does eugenics, (with your staed desired goals) really mean? It means discouraging people who carry "undesired" genes from procreating. Do you get it? It means society - through government - comes along and tells you to not have children because your gametes may carry a defective gene. It means people like Steven Hawking and Ray Charles will be "prevented from being born" due to their "damaged genes".

It is nazi "master race" fascisism at its worst. What is WRONG with it? Only a mindless drone, so totally whacked out on their drug induced hallucinations of some impossible utopia can not see what is WRONG with eugenics.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
No stupid, lack of clean drinking water, decent food and housing, access to medicine will cause problems. Who said anything about mass murder as an viable answer? Where do you get this stuff?

Apparently you didn't actually read the material I presented to you. Like I said before, toodles.....YOU don't have the guts or brains to honestly review and then discuss the information I linked earlier regarding over-population. Then you just ignore or dodge any point or statement in my responses to your bilge. In short, you set a double standard...which no one in their right mind has to accept. And if the absurd assertion of genocide is an example of your links "information", I dare say it's certainly not worth wasting time on. BUT, if you are willing to play by the rules and READ & DISCUSS what I previously linked and stated, THEN I'll return the courtesy.

It's hard to argue with someone who's ineducable. No wait. It's actually quite easy. You lose from being ignorant. This from someone who actually thinks "ineducable" is a word. Way to go, einstein.


First, as head of the United Nations Educational, Social and Cultural Organization (Unesco), and later as a WWF founder, Huxley preached the need to revive race science and the urgent mission of “culling the human herd”–particularly of the darker-skinned races of Africa and South America. In the founding document of Unesco, Huxley had frankly acknowledged the difficulties he would encounter in reviving eugenics, in light of the Nazi genocide. “Even though it is quite true that any radical eugenic policy will be for many years politically and psychologically impossible,” he wrote, “it will be important for Unesco to see that the … public mind is informed of the issues at stake so that much that now is unthinkable may at least become thinkable.”

Yeah, you already stated this....and like I said when you can provide ONE instance where genocide or warrantless mass sterilization has taken place under these organizations, then you might have a case. I'll wait.
 
Those who believe humanity is at the thresh hold of catastrophic overpopulation are correct - IF we make only minimal changes to how we feed, clothe and shelter said population.

OTOH, those who maintain the Earth can support a much larger population are also correct, but only if we start changing, significantly, support for that population.

Certainly, simply expanding urban areas to handle population growth is not going to work, as this reduces agricultural lands, stresses the ecology for a large surrounding area, etc. etc. etc. This is due to the fact that, for all intents and purposes, we are supporting ourselves using 6000 year old methods, with (relatively) minor improvements through modern technology. However, when push comes to shove, we are still gathering in groups of inter-supported shelters (cities) while sticking seeds in the ground of surrounding areas, putting the modern version of composted manure on top, and waiting for it to grow into food we can eat; all the time dependent on - and vulnerable to - the vagaries of natural climatic forces. While it is true that since humans first started using determined plots of arable land to propagate domesticated plants, the ability of a single human to grow food has expanded from barely enough for his immediate family to feeding several thousand. But despite that advance, the base methodology is the same - and is starting to run up against the law of diminishing returns.

If a much larger population is to be sustainable, then we need to (literally and figuratively) get our feet out of the furrows and look to new means of food production, as well as how we use all other resources we depend on to run our societies. Food production could be increased dramatically. Using modern technologies, we could literally put food production within the cities themselves, eliminating, or at least greatly easing dependency - and stress - on the surrounding areas. But to do this, we would have to change forever what we use for food. Meat, and even real grains, fruits and cereals would become a rare (and prohibitively expensive) treat. Synthetic similies, made from processed yeasts and algae would become the standard fare for the family dinner table.

Water is composed of the 1st and 8th most abundant elements in the universe. But, for economic reasons, we deplete natural sources at rates far faster than they can replenish. OTOH, we have technology to take any source of wet, and turn it into drinking water, and recycle it at 99%+ efficiency. By our standards, such water is extremely expensive. But, then, at one time common black pepper was literally worth its weight in gold - now its less than an hours labor at minimum wage for a pound. One thing we have seen throughout history: economies --eventually-- (though usually involving much distress and upheaval) adjust to necessity/reality.

As such, overpopulation as an earth-destroying disaster is a boogie. We can and will adapt. Of that, I have little doubt. OTOH, I, personally, would not want to live in the society, or world, that would result from the changes needed to support 20 (or more) billion people on this one, tiny planet.

Fascinating...because the "adaptation" would lead to a world vastly different from what you and I experience now.....where wilderness areas and natural clean water and food become the EXCEPTIONS and not the norm. I think you and I have found a point of mutual agreement here.
 
Liberals blindly support genocides planned by Huxley and infanticides planned by Sanger. TaiChi and other black liberals are blinder than most, unable to see that the killing is aimed at their race.

Please provide valid, documented recorded proof that black liberals and liberals in general advocate for genocide. Black people advocating self genocide would be an amazing find. Now I'm NOT talking about some anti-abortion/evangelical wonk giving their opinion sided with myopic stats. I want quotes from the horses mouth. If you can't produce such, then (once again) you've proven to be nothing more than some willfully ignorant neocon parrot steeped in bigoted notions.
 
You read the dictionary definition, and all you can come up with is it is DESIRABLE to "prevent genetically damaged children from coming into this world." Either you still do not comprehend exactly what eugenics is, or you are among those whom the world should (and does) despise beyond all else.

Do you understand how eugenics would "prevent genetically damaged children from coming into the world"? This is not TREATING sick children through gene therapy. It is keeping them from being born in the first place because they may carry a "damaged" gene. Are you aware that there is not a human being on this planet who does NOT have some damage somewhere in their 46 chromosomes?

What does eugenics, (with your staed desired goals) really mean? It means discouraging people who carry "undesired" genes from procreating. Do you get it? It means society - through government - comes along and tells you to not have children because your gametes may carry a defective gene. It means people like Steven Hawking and Ray Charles will be "prevented from being born" due to their "damaged genes".

It is nazi "master race" fascisism at its worst. What is WRONG with it? Only a mindless drone, so totally whacked out on their drug induced hallucinations of some impossible utopia can not see what is WRONG with eugenics.

Right now, you have countless thousands of kids growing up in foster care, you have right wingers wailing against social programs such as welfare, you an educational system that tells you that if you don't pass certain tests at specific times, your life is regulated to limited (if any) improvement. Add to this a medical insurance system that let's people die, a political system that uses the military as the only option for those poor, wars for profit, etc. do you have any idea the cost for caring for a severly handicapped child. I for one would not want to have to make that choice of abortion, but if those that do, THAT'S THEIR BUSINESS, NOT YOURS OR MINE.
 
And here's a little reality check from my hometown area that puts this neocon numbskulls blogger bullshit to rest:

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/...lps-li-entrepreneur-go-off-the-grid-1.1558547

http://www.newsday.com/long-island/...ush-to-harness-li-s-wind-for-energy-1.1558544

I can give you more details on the second link, if you're up to it.
This has got to be the funniest rebuttal in the entire history of political debate. AssHatZombie posts an OP piece in which the founders and leadership of WWF (an organization at the front of the "save us from global warming" push) are also tied to the leadership of an organization pushing for a world wide eugenics program.

TaiChiLiberal comes back with links about the successful use of a wind farm in Long Island.

Condensed, the argument would be thus:
AssHatZombie: It's interesting how some of those pushing hardest for people to accept AGW as a real threat are also those who are using another scare about over population to push an agenda promoting eugenics.

TaiChiLiberal: Oh yea? Well, wind power is too a viable source of energy!
 
Right now, you have countless thousands of kids growing up in foster care, you have right wingers wailing against social programs such as welfare, you an educational system that tells you that if you don't pass certain tests at specific times, your life is regulated to limited (if any) improvement. Add to this a medical insurance system that let's people die, a political system that uses the military as the only option for those poor, wars for profit, etc. do you have any idea the cost for caring for a severly handicapped child. I for one would not want to have to make that choice of abortion, but if those that do, THAT'S THEIR BUSINESS, NOT YOURS OR MINE.
Who mentioned abortion (besides you?)

Not only that, but you, also, seem to COMPELTELY lack the comprehension to understand that under a eugenics program, it would NOT be "their business". If the child is damaged, it is not allowed to be born. THAT is the central action of negative ("prevent genetically damaged children from being born") eugenics. ie: FORCED abortion for "defective" children; and/or forced sterilization for carriers.

It is truly incredible how utterly brain dead the modern liberal is becoming.
 
Who mentioned abortion (besides you?)

Not only that, but you, also, seem to COMPELTELY lack the comprehension to understand that under a eugenics program, it would NOT be "their business". If the child is damaged, it is not allowed to be born. THAT is the central action of negative ("prevent genetically damaged children from being born") eugenics. ie: FORCED abortion for "defective" children; and/or forced sterilization for carriers.

It is truly incredible how utterly brain dead the modern liberal is becoming.

Hey GoodLuck! I haven't seen you around. Good to see you again.
 
This has got to be the funniest rebuttal in the entire history of political debate. AssHatZombie posts an OP piece in which the founders and leadership of WWF (an organization at the front of the "save us from global warming" push) are also tied to the leadership of an organization pushing for a world wide eugenics program.

TaiChiLiberal comes back with links about the successful use of a wind farm in Long Island.

Condensed, the argument would be thus:
AssHatZombie: It's interesting how some of those pushing hardest for people to accept AGW as a real threat are also those who are using another scare about over population to push an agenda promoting eugenics.

TaiChiLiberal: Oh yea? Well, wind power is too a viable source of energy!


Very astute observations goodluck! How did taichiliberal get so stupid?
 
Please provide valid, documented recorded proof that black liberals and liberals in general advocate for genocide. Black people advocating self genocide would be an amazing find. Now I'm NOT talking about some anti-abortion/evangelical wonk giving their opinion sided with myopic stats. I want quotes from the horses mouth. If you can't produce such, then (once again) you've proven to be nothing more than some willfully ignorant neocon parrot steeped in bigoted notions.
Why would I do that? It doesn't bother me if liberals kill themselves with increasing frequency.
 
What does eugenics, (with your staed desired goals) really mean? It means discouraging people who carry "undesired" genes from procreating. Do you get it? It means society - through government - comes along and tells you to not have children because your gametes may carry a defective gene. It means people like Steven Hawking and Ray Charles will be "prevented from being born" due to their "damaged genes".

There is a huge difference between "discouraging" someone and "preventing" them from doing something.

As I briefly touched on and Taichiliberal detailed we live in a society where everyone is against preventing genetically defective births, yet, when such children are born society says to hell with them.

Have you ever visited a hospital which specializes in treating sick children? Check it out one day. Tell them you're thinking of volunteering and would like to look around, get a feel for the place. Submerge yourself in the pain and agony of the newborn or the six month old suffering from severe genetic defects. Or the four year old who will never go home. Their entire existence will be one spent in institutions.

When it comes to despising folks those who insist on bringing such children into the world to suffer such agony definitely sit at the top of my "despise" list. It makes the run-of-the-mill child abuse case seem like a pik-nik in the park.



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You read the dictionary definition, and all you can come up with is it is DESIRABLE to "prevent genetically damaged children from coming into this world." Either you still do not comprehend exactly what eugenics is, or you are among those whom the world should (and does) despise beyond all else.

Do you understand how eugenics would "prevent genetically damaged children from coming into the world"? This is not TREATING sick children through gene therapy. It is keeping them from being born in the first place because they may carry a "damaged" gene. Are you aware that there is not a human being on this planet who does NOT have some damage somewhere in their 46 chromosomes?

What does eugenics, (with your staed desired goals) really mean? It means discouraging people who carry "undesired" genes from procreating. Do you get it? It means society - through government - comes along and tells you to not have children because your gametes may carry a defective gene. It means people like Steven Hawking and Ray Charles will be "prevented from being born" due to their "damaged genes".

It is nazi "master race" fascisism at its worst. What is WRONG with it? Only a mindless drone, so totally whacked out on their drug induced hallucinations of some impossible utopia can not see what is WRONG with eugenics.
 
Eugenics: the study of or belief in the possibility of improving the qualities of the human species or a human population, esp. by such means as discouraging reproduction by persons having genetic defects or presumed to have inheritable undesirable traits (negative eugenics) or encouraging reproduction by persons presumed to have inheritable desirable traits (positive eugenics). http://dictionary.reference.com/browse/eugenics

What, exactly, is wrong with trying to prevent genetically damaged children from coming into the world? Who would advocate bringing such children into the world knowing our current political/social system of "every man for himself" and "why should my tax dollars go to help someone else" and other such conventions all pointing to "to hell with the less fortunate"?

The major problem with eugenics is that people are not just interested in preventing people with severe and repetitive inherited genetic defects from passing on those traits to other children. Eugenics followers almost always just go beyond the pale.....using poor medical science and judgement to just try and prevent anyone the consider inferior from reproducing in order to create a perfect strain of human beings (master race, as it were).
 
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