Pat Toomey: Background Checks Died Because GOP Didn't Want To Help Obama

maineman said:
so because they still might have the opportunity, we should, therefore, not worry about even making it difficult for them? If you believe that, then why even have background checks for ANYBODY? Why not just sell assault rifles at 7-Elevens and grocery stores and let anybody with the cash just buy as many as they want?
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I have always found it amusing, when liberals don't get their way and then want to say we should just ignore everything.
It reminds me of a child who can't have candy, so they get upset and don't want a cookie either.

It's already illegal for "murderers, felons and wife beaters", to legally buy or possess a firearm; so how is your proposal going to stop them from breaking the law?
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Could be; but how is having an extended back ground check going to stop them for illegally acquiring a firearm.
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again... because extending background checks might not prevent every situation where one of those folks might be able to illegally acquire a firearm, why have background checks at all? I get it.
 
maineman said:
again... because extending background checks might not prevent every situation where one of those folks might be able to illegally acquire a firearm, why have background checks at all? I get it.
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Instead of going all emo on me, defend your presentation.
How is having an extended back ground check going to stop them for illegally acquiring a firearm?
 
Bfgrn said:
Here's your problem. I am not a Marxist, never read a single page of his writings.

Background checks to keep murderers, felons and wife beaters from having a safe, secure avenue to buy their weapons of death is a true NO brainer. Over 90% of the populace supports background checks on all gun sales. Even over 75% of NRA members support support universal background checks for gun sales.

So that put YOU in a very small minority of ultra extremists. But take solace, I am sure your comrade Timmy would be standing with you, if he were still alive...

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more idiotic ad hom because you have no position to debate.
 
Rana said:
So, if Libertarians were in control these things would cease to exist?
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Well for one thing, I don't see you as a Marxist.

And these things have existed for as long as guns have existed, and will always exist. The issue to me and other Libertarins is that there are bad people that will hurt others. It doesn't matter if they want to hurt you with a gun, a hammer, a bomb, or their hands. Everyone should have the right to own, and possess a gun. People have a right to self defense. When we give up liberty for order, we lose both. We/Libertarians don't trust the government to do anything but protect our rights. When we give them a foot in the door, they'll force themself in, and eventually take away our rights.

Gun ownership may not stop these things from happening, but there's a good chance that guns can stop someone who starts shooting others from continuing to shoot others.
 
maineman said:
so because they still might have the opportunity, we should, therefore, not worry about even making it difficult for them? If you believe that, then why even have background checks for ANYBODY? Why not just sell assault rifles at 7-Elevens and grocery stores and let anybody with the cash just buy as many as they want?
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hyperbole much?

the only reason you choose to make it more difficult for everyone else in the hopes that it will make it difficult for criminals is because you're too scared to take responsibility for your own defense.
 
Bfgrn said:
Here's your problem. I am not a Marxist, never read a single page of his writings.

Background checks to keep murderers, felons and wife beaters from having a safe, secure avenue to buy their weapons of death is a true NO brainer. Over 90% of the populace supports background checks on all gun sales. Even over 75% of NRA members support support universal background checks for gun sales.

So that put YOU in a very small minority of ultra extremists. But take solace, I am sure your comrade Timmy would be standing with you, if he were still alive...

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Then I suggest you start reading his writings. As you support most of what he advocated.

I don't want to give my name to the government for approval to own a gun. It's none of their business. If I have this right at this time, then I would be trading that right. Never to get it back.

Please,,,,,,, start reading the writings of Marx, so you can see how many things you have in common with him. Maybe this would open your eyes.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
that is a lousy assed percentage when you're dealing with my rights and liberties. a percentage I refuse to accept. we the people did NOT form a government to get it right just half the time.
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Your rights and liberties?

Funny you should mention it, because....I thought it was WE the people, not you, the person.

There are always times when a person, or groups of people do not get their way. Throughout the history of this country it's been this way. As a matter of fact, I happen to feel that this country bows down to our most powerful citizens at the expense of everyone else way too often.

It's that way to this very day....even with the alleged "Socialist" at the helm.
 
Chapel The Evergreen said:
It all depends on who is on the bench. And when rights are on the line, establishing precedent FOR the court is a terrible idea.
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But who establishes those precedents? The President doesn't order the SCOTUS to rule on these things.... sonething either makes it through Congress and the SCOTUS rules on it's Constitutionality, or it's appealed through local, state, and Federal Courts until it reaches the SCOTUS. You can't just say....don't establish a precedent....because every ruling is a precedent.

EDIT: Take background checks for example...let's suppose for a second that it passed through the Senate and House, and Obama signed it into law....Then the SCOTUS would look at it and rule on it's Constitutionality.

Those are the checks and balances we have in place...you should know this...this us 9th grade civics.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
So what makes you think that "murderers, felons and wife beaters" aren't still going to have the opportunity to purchase a weapon?
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Sorry, I was detained. I just went up and down my neighborhood streets ripping out all those fucking stop signs. I have seen people speed, so clearly they are a waste of time and money! And clearly it infringes on the 'liberty' of speeders. I mean people that break the law are people too.

What REALLY strikes me as ironic, it is usually right wing turds like you who are all about law and ORDER. Well fuck THAT if it might cause some inconvenience on your part...you're just so fucking special,
 
SmarterthanYou said:
hyperbole much?

the only reason you choose to make it more difficult for everyone else in the hopes that it will make it difficult for criminals is because you're too scared to take responsibility for your own defense.
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that is patently false, I take full responsibility for my own defense, and I chose to support policies which allow law enforcement to help in that effort.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Could be; but how is having an extended back ground check going to stop them for illegally acquiring a firearm.
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As citizens, we can't stop a criminal from buying an illegal firearm from the trunk of another criminal in some dark alley.

But, that's where the criminal should be forced to buy a gun. In a totally illegal setting, with all the inherent dangers that come with it. BUT, our current laws sanction criminals being able to walk into a gun show, receive expert advice, discounts, then buy whatever weapon(s) they desire without a background check or having to pay black market prices or risk the dangers of buying a weapon from another criminal in a dark alley.
 
Bfgrn said:
But, that's where the criminal should be forced to buy a gun. In a totally illegal setting, with all the inherent dangers that come with it. BUT, our current laws sanction criminals being able to walk into a gun show, receive expert advice, discounts, then buy whatever weapon(s) they desire without a background check or having to pay black market prices or risk the dangers of buying a weapon from another criminal in a dark alley.
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No.....They have to buy them from PRIVATE SELLERS! That's the same at any location in America, gun show or not. You're clearly high.
 
Steelplate said:
So why allow them to buy from PRIVATE SELLERS without resistance?
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Because it wouldn't STOP any. Any unscrupulous person would just ignore the law entirely anyways. If you can find me a SINGLE instance of a criminal, who would not ordinarily pass a background check, buying a gun privately and then using it to commit a crime, I will recant my previous statement.
 
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