Physical materialism

[Dutch Uncle]

Makes sense. All the atheist intellectuals subscribed to some form of materialism; Marx, Sigmund Freud, Vladimir Lenin, Jean Paul Sartre.

Which makes sense. If a person believes all that matters is what's inside the natural universe and all that is inside the natural universe is matter then the only it makes sense they will focus upon the collection and control of material objects.

 

[Cypress]

Which makes sense. If a person believes all that matters is what's inside the natural universe and all that is inside the natural universe is matter then the only it makes sense they will focus upon the collection and control of material objects.

You're right.
The people who believe there is a higher reality which transcends matter and energy are pantheists, transcendentalists, Taoists, panentheists etc....i.e., they're not atheists.

An atheist is stuck with matter and energy as the only thing that exists:

I'm fine as a strict physical materialist. In fact the only way you aren't is if you just make stuff up and imagine it. You only have the material to deal with.

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

The mathematical forces of physics existed before matter did. Probably the uncertainty principle did too.

the forces did, but our math is our doing.

descriptions of a thing are not the thing itself, dum dum.

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

My dick is mathematical because I counted that I have one.

 

[Cypress]

the forces did, but our math is our doing!

That's just translation.
The fact we use base10 math and an alien civilization might use base60 math doesn't change the reality that there is an underlying rational organization and mathematical scaffolding underlying the cosmos.

Does a Bible translated into English fundamentally change the nature of a Bible written in Latin?

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

That's just translation.
The fact we use base10 math and an alien civilization might use base60 math doesn't change the reality that there is an underlying rational organization and mathematical scaffolding underlying the cosmos.

Does a Bible translated into English fundamentally change the nature of a Bible written in Latin?

different species have different math.

doesn't prove anything either.

you're just full of shit.

 

[gmark77]

You're reaction score is a remarkably low 314.

That means most posters don't read your posts, or don't put much stock in them.

Wow. You on Truth Social too?

 

[gmark77]

I don't care if you're an atheist.

^^^Lie.

But you should be able to defend your belief system,

Which I have. But you are not smart enough to understand it.

Your get extremely sensitive whenever questions are asked about the atheist worldview. Is there a part of your intuition telling you it's difficult to defend?

I'm not sensitive. I'm not the one screaming and changing every fuckin' post I see.

Why are you so dishonest?

 

[gmark77]

Oh yeah, I forgot Daylight was one of his many sock puppets!

Wow. You and your "bestest buddy" sure do spend a lot of time obsessing on socks and ratings don't you?

Sad really. Very Trumpian.

There's a few posters here with negative reaction scores, but Perry PhD's reaction score is so low, he's basically swirling the bottom of the toilet bowl with them

Your buddy Doc goes through every single one of my posts and hits it with a "barf" response. Hundreds a day. (I saw it before I put him on ignore, one day it was like 50 to 100 "barfs" all in the space of like 30 minutes..... Like some obsessive weirdo stalker.

That's your only friend. A weird stalker who is weirder than you are.

 

[gmark77]

Oh yeah, I forgot Daylight was one of his many sock puppets!

Do you realize how weak a connection it is that you find one day matching out of hundreds of potential posters.

You really shouldn't tout any sort of "reasoning" as you like to rely on the weakest evidence for your beliefs.

I shouldn't be surprised given how credulous you are about the supernatural.

Weirdo.

 

[gmark77]

The mathematical forces of physics

"Mathematical forces". LOL.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I think scientism, defined as empirical investigation, limits us to mechanistic knowledge of natural processes involving matter and energy. It's still one of our most powerful systems of knowledge.

OTOH, we couldn't use scientism to establish geometric truths, or knowledge of abstract properties like liberty, natural rights, equality, etc.

As opposed to what, Mysticism?

Are you suggesting we jettison empirical evidence and falsifiable data in favor of trances and magic rituals?

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Oh yeah, I forgot Daylight was one of his many sock puppets!

There's a few posters here with negative reaction scores, but Perry PhD's reaction score is so low, he's basically swirling the bottom of the toilet bowl with them

He's also a moron who is too retarded to understand that I changed my name from "Doc Dutch" back to "Dutch Uncle" long before May 7th of this year. Something a true newbie wouldn't know, but a Down Syndrome adult or retard would not connect.

Sad, but it's more evidence that Perry lacks the cognitive capacity of a normal adult.

The only friend Hypocrite Liar Cypress has is Doc Douche.

Especially since you are such buddy buddy with Cypress and by extension Doc Douche.

True, but it's quickly recognized as being an immature one...which is where most militant atheists live. LOL

LEARN SOME PHILOSOPHY, Douche

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

"Mathematical forces". LOL.

I know.

so utterly stupid.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

Your buddy Doc goes through every single one of my posts and hits it with a "barf" response. Hundreds a day. (I saw it before I put him on ignore, one day it was like 50 to 100 "barfs" all in the space of like 30 minutes..... Like some obsessive weirdo stalker.

QED on the "Doc Dutch" name and the retard's lie that he doesn't care about his reaction score.

Hundreds a day? An even bigger lie from one of JPP's biggest retards. Sad.

"Reaction score"? I couldn't care less about my "ratings".

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

^^^Lie.



Which I have. But you are not smart enough to understand it.




I'm not sensitive. I'm not the one screaming and changing every fuckin' post I see.

Why are you so dishonest?

he's trying to invent a religion which doesn't speak to morality in any way.

one exists, it's called satanism.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Very few people can do calculus, physics, or biochemistry...so at the individual level, I don't see how science can be the primary basis of our knowledge.

Nonsense. Calculus is required in virtually all graduate programs. All of the millions of Americans with a Masters or better have learned it.

Most of the things we think we have knowledge of have nothing to do with math or science ..aka, our beliefs about liberty, about love, about trust, about fairness, about conscience, about meaning and purpose.

Liberty as necessary to the development of human society can be and has been scientifically demonstrated.

Science is not a god, or a philosophy. It is a tool for discovery. As with a hammer, it is an extremely useful tool. Also it is not the only tool for every job.

 

[Freddy Figbottom]

As opposed to what, Mysticism?

Are you suggesting we jettison empirical evidence and falsifiable data in favor of trances and magic rituals?

yes.

that is what he wants.

satanist hegemon supporters want a return to the dark edges, or a new "techno-feudalism".

 

[Cypress]

As opposed to what, Mysticism?

Are you suggesting we jettison empirical evidence and falsifiable data in favor of trances and magic rituals?

It's like you didn't read my post at all, and only responded to what you wish I wrotew, not what I actually wrote.

I think scientism, defined as empirical investigation, limits us to mechanistic knowledge of natural processes involving matter and energy. It's still one of our most powerful systems of knowledge.

 

[Uncensored2008]

It's like you didn't read my post at all, and only responded to what you wish I wrotew, not what I actually wrote.

Then you are just spouting off to hear yourself talk and have no real point?