Question for dipshit 3rd Party voters

LV426 said:
You are pathetic.

You can't stand the fact that I've torn your 3P argument to shreds, so you fall back into your habit of patronizing to cover for the intellectual deficit in your core beliefs.
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So now you don't just hate me for voting 3P but for not voting exactly as you want me to vote. Don't you see the problem there, dear?
 
SmarterthanYou said:
apparently you have no ability to comprehend how politics works..........
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You don't seem to know how it works because you think that a 3P POTUS can just wiggle their fingers and force two bitterly partisan sides to compromise on a vision neither side actually wants or supports, either because it's inarticulate or it's just stupid.
 
LV426 said:
You do realize there are three branches of government right, and winning one doesn't mean you control the others outright?

So if by some miracle freak of nature a 3P POTUS wins the Electoral College, they're going to have a hard time advancing any of their 3P agenda through the other two branches of government since they have no allies in the legislature or the courts.

So the only way they will be able to govern is by executive authority...now, maybe that's not a red line for you, but it is for me.
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Governments worldwide operate with executive leaders who have no support in Parliments. The build coalitions through compromises. A concept totally lost on fascist democrats.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
You have an IQ in the low to mid 30's - which is why you reacted with an emotional outburst instead of a rational response.

You are a Nazi because you're too fucking stupid to grasp even the most basic concepts.
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You have said nothing in all the posts you've made on this thread, and your endorsement of 3P voting is an explicit endorsement of fascism because fascism is the only way a 3P POTUS could govern since they have no Congressional allies.

And you also avoid the central question which is how does a 3P POTUS get any of their agenda through a Congress where they have 0 allies of their own party to introduce, vote for, and pass that 3P agenda?
 
LV426 said:
How are they going to do that? Jedi Mind Trick? Hypnosis?

How do you build a coalition among a partisan legislature for an agenda neither major party supports, where you have ZERO members of your own party to start?

You have NO LEVERAGE in that situation.

THINK. THINGS. THROUGH.

A better use of your time and energy would be to win downballot races since those are easier to win than POTUS, that way when a 3P POTUS is elected, they have members of their own party already there to introduce, vote for, and pass legislation. You know, the way it's supposed to be done according to the Constitution.
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It's called "compromise."

People have used it for thousands of years.

Because you are a fascist - you understand nothing other than brute force and threats of violence. Yet finding common ground and negotiating solutions that work for all involved yields far more equitable outcomes than the dictatorial system you promote.
 
LV426 said:
How are they going to do that? Jedi Mind Trick? Hypnosis?
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In a two-party system,
we have complete gridlock
if one party doesn't control both congressional chambers and the White House as well.

If one party does control all three, we than have in effect a one-party system.

This works effectively, to the satisfaction of most,
in the PRC
but causes street violence here
where the minority and majority are too close together in size.

A society can't prosper with just about half the population always poised for revolt.

We don't have compromise between Republicans and Democrats because in America,
the only common ground between Republicans and Democrats
is the mutual seething hatred that we have for one another.

The theory seems to be that if we have multiple viable parties,
smaller tents which closely reflect the values of all members therein,
nobody will ever have a majority
and we either form coalitions or settle on anarchy.

I don't know if that would work out or not,
but it certainly won't work out
with the viability level of present non-major party candidates.
 
LV426 said:
Look, I believe that you have a responsibility as a voter to think through the consequences and implications of casting your vote. ALL OF THEM. That's what an informed electorate is supposed to do. But there are just too many lazy people who want to posture.

I considered voting 3P before, but every time I think about doing so, I think through to what the consequences of winning means...in the case of 3P, it means going around Congress and ruling by fascist decree. It sets the most dangerous precedent to our democracy.
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There are no consequences for something that cannot happen, LV.

Don't worry too much about democracy / authoritarianism
or
capitalism / socialism,
anyway.

Worry about living well.

If that end can be achieved, the means to have gotten there will be considered irrelevant
by everybody who's living well.
 
Damocles said:
The same "leverage" a single party branch of the government always has, the power of the executive to veto, etc.
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Good, so he can veto but he can't pass any legislation.

My question wasn't how does a 3P veto an agenda, it was how does a 3P enact their agenda?

So what good is what you said here? All that does is cement dysfunction and brings all governance to a halt, and the 3P agenda is never enacted...unless bringing government to a permanent halt is the 3P agenda. If so, you should be honest about that so you don't hide what your true intention is.


Your party wants some things done, he wants some things done, from there you build compromise.
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You already got that with Biden.

Also, a 3P POTUS has no leverage because they have no allies in Congress.

So how does a POTUS achieve compromise on their agenda that neither party supports or endorsed?


Pretending that a co equal branch of the government would have no ability to do anything simply because you don't like them is just fantasy.
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Do you know how our government works? Like, do you know how bills are introduced in Congress? Doesn't seem like you do because you'd then realize that in order for a 3P POTUS to enacting a 3P agenda they need 3P legislators to introduce and vote for it.

The fantasy is thinking that a 3P POTUS has allies in Congress they spent the whole campaign calling dysfunctional.
 
LV426 said:
You're articulating the very problem with 3P right here...there is no 3P representation in the legislature, so what coalition can a 3P POTUS realistically build?

You are a fascist because the only way a 3P POTUS can govern is by executive authority for the exact reason stated above!
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Like democracy - you are ignorant of what Fascism is - despite the FACT that you are a fascist.

The shameful democrat party cares ONLY about power for the Reich.

The whole POINT of a representative legislature is to induce negotiation and compromise among the representatives of the people.

But fascists like you have contempt for the people - you care only about your party, your Reich and lust for absolute power.
 
SmarterthanYou said:
so, by acknowledging that ONLY parties can get shit done, you accept that the country is no longer run by the people, but by parties. what could be more fascist than that? why are you then calling me the fascist?
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The people vote for the legislators...it's not their fault that your beliefs are so fucking crappy that you can't find any viable candidates to run on them.

You are trying to win the hardest race to win of all the races; just imagine if all those resources spent trying to win POTUS were instead allocated to downballot recruiting and candidates so that the 3P actually has some votes in Congress and can introduce the 3P POTUS' agenda.

I think, though, that it's gonna be a challenge for a 3P to recruit enough viable candidates if the platform is shit...which 3P's are right now.
 
LV426 said:
You don't seem to know how it works because you think that a 3P POTUS can just wiggle their fingers and force two bitterly partisan sides to compromise on a vision neither side actually wants or supports, either because it's inarticulate or it's just stupid.
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and now you are clearly showing your short attention span. You asked HOW, and I told you that the 3rd party pres gets the voting PUBLIC to demand that of their elected congress critters. They will vote for what the clear majority of their constituents want because that congress critter wants to keep that cushy job. Your idiot spiel about 'inarticulate or stupid' is a clear sign of your bias against anything not Democrat.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
Your party needs to pay for the crime against humanity you and your Chinese Masters committed by using the bio-weapon.
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Wait, I thought COVID was a hoax, now it's a bio-weapon?

You said FOR MONTHS, YEARS EVEN, that COVID was a hoax and now you're saying the opposite.

If you had simply kept your big, fat, fucking mouth shut, we probably wouldn't have had a pandemic at all.

But you can't control yourself, so you opened your big, fat fucking mouth and cost Trump the election.
 
Obviously the shameful fascist democrat Reich fears a third party will siphon enough votes away from Quid Pro that rigging the election will be impossible and Trump will win the presidency in 2024 despite their assault on free and fair elections.

So the drones have been programmed to slither forth and attack democracy, this time by trying to stop people from voting their conscience.
 
What is LV going on about?

If the alternate party candidate isn't part of an actually viable alternate party,

he/she is not going to win!!!!

None of these dire scenarios can possibly happen.

If a voter truly believes that neither of the major party candidates is any better or worse than the other,

then to that voter, there are absolutely no bad consequences to be experienced

by casting a protest vote for a non-viable candidate.

I don't do this, by the way.

I've voted a straight Democratic Party ticket in every partisan election of my adult life.
If, however, a European style Social Democratic Party emerges as a VIABLE party in our nation,
I will simply switch my allegiance to them for more closely representing my views.

It's not really complicated.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
No, the argument would still be invalid.

Part of the appeal of a third party representative is that they would have to build coalitions. In a perfect world, it would cross lines in both directions. We have seen third party like Bolshevik Bernie who are just fascist democrats. But the goal would be a person non-aligned with either faction of the uniparty.
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In order to build a coalition, you need to start somewhere and there's nowhere for a 3P POTUS to start since they have no allies in Congress at the present time.

That's why you need to stop trying to win the hardest race (POTUS) and win smaller ones (House, Senate) so that you have a place to start from in order to build a coalition.

Y'all think you can just skip that step, but that step is the only way any of that agenda gets introduced.

Look at all the Parliamentary democracies in the world...what do they all have in common? The chief executive has members of their own party in their coalition.
 
LV426 said:
We haven't had lockdowns since 2020 and we haven't had mask mandates since 2021.

And wearing a mask brutalizes you? Wow, what a drama queen.
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We had lockdowns through the end of 2021 - with a resurgence in 2022 right before the election. And the Reich is again trying to pimp the bioweapon they cocreated with China, the Wuhan Designer Virus®.
 
Uncensored2008 said:
We had lockdowns through the end of 2021 - with a resurgence in 2022 right before the election. And the Reich is again trying to pimp the bioweapon they cocreated with China, the Wuhan Designer Virus®.
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The "bioweapon" Trump denied existed until he could realign his financial portfolio?

Dear Dumbass, if it was a bioweapon why didn't Pedo Don attack China for attacking us?
 
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