Question for dipshit 3rd Party voters

[LV426]

nice try, but no. YOUR logic was the worst ever.....equating executive orders to fascism ONLY because it would be a 3rd party, or even a Republican (in your biased mindset) proves that you are nothing more than a lockstep totalitarian/fascist by NOT protesting about ANY of the executive orders by biden or obama

You screech about voting lockstep but literally ONE POST AGO that was your whole strategy for getting D's and R's to go along with a 3P POTUS' agenda.

Without 3P legislators any 3P agenda is dead in the water.

Instead of trying to win the hardest election, why not try for easier ones downballot...that way you can actually build a political party instead of hitching your wagon to a cult of personality with zero answers for the tough Constitutional questions. The reason you don't do that is because you can't find viable candidates to run on your stupid and crazy ideas.

 

[LV426]

I just want to know what it was like to be kicked off a site, for 3 months, that has almost no rules. Whatever you did or said had to be utterly fucked up. It would like getting kicked out of the kkk for being too hateful. LMFAO.

Like a coward, you jump into a thread but refuse to address the OP...so that's kinda weird? Why are you jumping into a thread you have no intention of participating in good faith?

Oh right, because you're a loser. I keep forgetting that.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Again, voting for a 3P POTUS candidate is voting to end democracy because that 3P POTUS won't be able to pass any of their agenda through a Congress where their party did not run candidates down ballot in enough races to actually advance the agenda the way the Constitution says.

All they want is their 3P candidate to act like an autocrat, replacing the D or R. It doesn't change the system; it quite actually could break it in a very scary way.

A 3P candidate with not enough Congressional support will only be able to rule by executive authority, which is explicitly fascist.

Until a 3P gets serious and runs candidates in downballot races to make the difference in Congressional votes, they are merely vanity projects and grifts. Casting your vote for them doesn't improve ballot positioning for a 3P...all it does is signal to the candidate that you want an autocrat to go around the Constitution. That's just as bad as Conservatism. It practically is now.

I understand that you're a fascist - but the above is just fucking stupid.

A third party president would have to build coalitions - instead of relying on partisan power structures.

You Nazi retards throw around "democracy" with absolutely no grasp of what the term means. A 3P would have to actually cross party lines and build working coalitions - that is FAR more representative of the will of the people than the fascist dictatorship under the democrat Reich you support.

 

[LV426]

Your emotional appeal has convinced me, dear. I'm now strongly considering voting for the challenger. W00t!

You are pathetic.

You can't stand the fact that I've torn your 3P argument to shreds, so you fall back into your habit of patronizing to cover for the intellectual deficit in your core beliefs.

 

[LV426]

A brutal, Marxist totalitarian dictatorship is "close to democracy?"

How have you been brutalized?

 

[Yakuda]

Like a coward, you jump into a thread but refuse to address the OP...so that's kinda weird? Why are you jumping into a thread you have no intention of participating in good faith?

Oh right, because you're a loser. I keep forgetting that.

Better be careful or you might get banned for 6 months this time. Clearly you are an angry and impulsive leftist who lacks self control so much so that on a site full of whacked out leftists you get banned for 3 months. Maybe some meds buddy.

 

[Uncensored2008]

That's what I said about Bernie.

Do you really think that Bernie is closer to your ideal ruler - Josef Stalin - than Bought and Paid For Biden is?

 

[NiftyNiblick]

You are pathetic.

You can't stand the fact that I've torn your 3P argument to shreds, so you fall back into your habit of patronizing to cover for the intellectual deficit in your core beliefs.

Your argument about the absence of 3P congressional support
would be valid if there were any expectation of the 3P presidential candidate having a chance to win.

It's merely a protest vote with no expectation of the voted-for candidate winning anything.

I always pointed out that even a truculent protest vote was damaging

because it made it possible for the less preferred major party candidate to win.

The retort to that was

that in the view of the 3P voter,

both major candidates were equally bad so it didn't matter

to said 3P voter.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

But how does that translate to a vote in Congress?

If the 3P has no members in Congress, how will the 3P even introduce legislation in committees?

You need Congressional allies of your party to do that...otherwise you can only rule by executive authorly which I'm not convinced you're entirely opposed to.




LMAO!

With gerrymandering, that's never a threat.

apparently you have no ability to comprehend how politics works..........

 

[Uncensored2008]

Grow the fuck up.

Who's the adult in the room with you right now? Because you ain't it.




No, I think it's better to act like an adult in a democracy and not a petulant child insulated by privilege.

Is that possible, or are you just too fucking old to make that change?

You have an IQ in the low to mid 30's - which is why you reacted with an emotional outburst instead of a rational response.

You are a Nazi because you're too fucking stupid to grasp even the most basic concepts.

 

[LV426]

I understand that you're a fascist - but the above is just fucking stupid.

You do realize there are three branches of government right, and winning one doesn't mean you control the others outright?

So if by some miracle freak of nature a 3P POTUS wins the Electoral College, they're going to have a hard time advancing any of their 3P agenda through the other two branches of government since they have no allies in the legislature or the courts.

So the only way they will be able to govern is by executive authority...now, maybe that's not a red line for you, but it is for me.

 

[Damocles]

Biden has political capital and relationships with almost all of those legislators, not to mention a party apparatus behind him that provides him with the votes in Congress.

A 3P POTUS does not have any of that.

So what leverage does a 3P POTUS have in order to force compromise if their party controls zero seats in Congress or the courts?

You seem to think cult of personality wills people into compromise, but that is woefully naive. And none of those 3P POTUS candidates have a great enough cult of personality to pull it off anyway.

The same "leverage" a single party branch of the government always has, the power of the executive to veto, etc. Your party wants some things done, he wants some things done, from there you build compromise. Pretending that a co equal branch of the government would have no ability to do anything simply because you don't like them is just fantasy.

 

[SmarterthanYou]

You screech about voting lockstep but literally ONE POST AGO that was your whole strategy for getting D's and R's to go along with a 3P POTUS' agenda.

Without 3P legislators any 3P agenda is dead in the water.

Instead of trying to win the hardest election, why not try for easier ones downballot...that way you can actually build a political party instead of hitching your wagon to a cult of personality with zero answers for the tough Constitutional questions. The reason you don't do that is because you can't find viable candidates to run on your stupid and crazy ideas.

so, by acknowledging that ONLY parties can get shit done, you accept that the country is no longer run by the people, but by parties. what could be more fascist than that? why are you then calling me the fascist?

 

[NiftyNiblick]

Your party wants some things done,
he wants some things done,
from there you build compromise.

I missed something important, Damo.
Which planet are we discussing again?

 

[Uncensored2008]

How have you been brutalized?

Seriously?

2 years of lockdowns and mask mandates and you're dumb enough to ask that?

Your party needs to pay for the crime against humanity you and your Chinese Masters committed by using the bio-weapon.

 

[LV426]

A third party president would have to build coalitions - instead of relying on partisan power structures.

How are they going to do that? Jedi Mind Trick? Hypnosis?

How do you build a coalition among a partisan legislature for an agenda neither major party supports, where you have ZERO members of your own party to start?

You have NO LEVERAGE in that situation.

THINK. THINGS. THROUGH.

A better use of your time and energy would be to win downballot races since those are easier to win than POTUS, that way when a 3P POTUS is elected, they have members of their own party already there to introduce, vote for, and pass legislation. You know, the way it's supposed to be done according to the Constitution.

 

[LV426]

You Nazi retards throw around "democracy" with absolutely no grasp of what the term means. A 3P would have to actually cross party lines and build working coalitions - that is FAR more representative of the will of the people than the fascist dictatorship under the democrat Reich you support.

You're articulating the very problem with 3P right here...there is no 3P representation in the legislature, so what coalition can a 3P POTUS realistically build?

You are a fascist because the only way a 3P POTUS can govern is by executive authority for the exact reason stated above!

 

[LV426]

Better be careful or you might get banned for 6 months this time. Clearly you are an angry and impulsive leftist who lacks self control so much so that on a site full of whacked out leftists you get banned for 3 months. Maybe some meds buddy.

I won't get banned for calling you a loser.

Loser.

Fascist.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Your argument about the absence of 3P congressional support
would be valid if there were any expectation of the 3P presidential candidate having a chance to win.

It's merely a protest vote with no expectation of the voted-for candidate winning anything.

I always pointed out that even a truculent protest vote was damaging

because it made it possible for the less preferred major party candidate to win.

The retort to that was

that in the view of the 3P voter,

both major candidates were equally bad so it didn't matter

to said 3P voter.

No, the argument would still be invalid.

Part of the appeal of a third party representative is that they would have to build coalitions. In a perfect world, it would cross lines in both directions. We have seen third party like Bolshevik Bernie who are just fascist democrats. But the goal would be a person non-aligned with either faction of the uniparty.

 

[LV426]

Your argument about the absence of 3P congressional support
would be valid if there were any expectation of the 3P presidential candidate having a chance to win.

It's merely a protest vote with no expectation of the voted-for candidate winning anything.

I always pointed out that even a truculent protest vote was damaging

because it made it possible for the less preferred major party candidate to win.

The retort to that was

that in the view of the 3P voter,

both major candidates were equally bad so it didn't matter

to said 3P voter.

Look, I believe that you have a responsibility as a voter to think through the consequences and implications of casting your vote. ALL OF THEM. That's what an informed electorate is supposed to do. But there are just too many lazy people who want to posture.

I considered voting 3P before, but every time I think about doing so, I think through to what the consequences of winning means...in the case of 3P, it means going around Congress and ruling by fascist decree. It sets the most dangerous precedent to our democracy.