Question for dipshit 3rd Party voters

[NiftyNiblick]

I don't know how to tell you that you should care about people other than yourself. Selfishness and myopia helps fascism. if you are only capable of thinking purely for yourself, then maybe democracy isn't the system for you and you should finally admit it.

No, LV, it's good to think of others.
No argument there.
It's a sign of humanity.

My point is that the goal is for as many people to live well and happily as humanly possibly.
If we can do that, does the end justify the means we used to get there?

It's no more than an ancient philosophical question.
I'm just not completely sure that we would all answer it the same way.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

I forgot she was female. She could be menopausal.

Possible, but she's always been like this since I've been here.

Plus I get the impression she's 40ish or much younger.

 

[Uncensored2008]

LMAO!

I live in GA and after May 2020, there were no mask or stay at home orders.

Show us on the dolls where the mask touched you:

Bullshit.

Either you are confused between '20 (election year - Trump President) and '21 (Xi's man as pResident) or you're just lying.

Remember, Big Pharma held back the mRNA sequencers until the day AFTER the election in order to corrupt voting.

A Timeline of COVID-19 Developments in 2020 (ajmc.com)

 

[LV426]

They want to be reelected.

Which they will be because of a) gerrymandering and b) no viable 3P challengers.

You're skipping the most important step in all of this...delivering a Congress that will even VOTE for this 3P agenda. If your party doesn't control a majority of seats, then the agenda can't be introduced. If your party controls ZERO seats, then you have no way to introduce your agenda in the various committees.

Your threats are hollow because 3P's don't run many candidates down-ballot, so these incumbents don't have anything to worry about there. WHY DO YOU THINK THAT IS?

 

[LV426]

Why did so many Republicans rally around Trump? He is the antithesis of the Kleptocracy those like Graham promote, but the Republicans wanted to get reelected and Trump IS extremely popular among decent Americans.

Thanks to Trump, the GOP lost the House in 2018, the Presidency in 2020, and the Senate in 2021.

The only reason the GOP controls the House in 2023 is because of gerrymandering that even the SUPREME COURT said was racist and unconstitutional.

Trump is not popular among Americans, and if he runs, he will lose by even more than he did in 2020.

 

[anonymoose]

You got defensive because I pointed out how your 3P vote was stupid and an endorsement of fascism, and you couldn't articulately defend your poor choice.

So you avoided the question in the OP because you don't have a good answer.

Voting for a 3P candidate for POTUS is an explicit endorsement of fascism because the only way a 3P POTUS can enact any of their agenda is to do so by executive authority, which is inherently fascist.

I see. How do you know this? There has never been 3P potus.

So you're a fascist because you want a strongman to circumvent Congress to act as a dictator, because you can't advance any of your stupid ideas through Congress.

Why do so many dims consider themselves clairvoyant?

 

[Uncensored2008]

You're the one who doesn't think through the consequences of your actions...that's what this thread has all been about.

You also lie all the time, about everything.

And it's not like you're even accurate when you do lie...like the whole thing about parliamentary democracies relying on coalitions but forgetting that the central piece of any executive's coalition government is his own party.

But you're just a really stupid person, so I am willking to let that slide.




Donald Trump's best annual GDP growth rate was 2.85%.

Obama's was 2.89%.

The economy entered a recession in February 2020, before any of the lockdowns:

Recession officially started in February, researchers say
June 8, 2020
https://www.foxbusiness.com/economy/us-recession-started-in-february-researchers-say

Trump's Russia Tax Cut also plunged manufacturing into a recession for all of 2019, costing 300,000 jobs:

U.S. manufacturing was in a mild recession during 2019, a sore spot for the economy
January 17, 2020
https://www.washingtonpost.com/busi...mild-recession-during-2019-sore-spot-economy/

And the Russia Tax Cut didn't increase business investment, as promised:

A Decline in Capital Investment Reveals the False Promise of Trump’s Tax Bill
July 30, 2019
https://www.newyorker.com/news/our-...-reveals-the-false-promise-of-trumps-tax-bill

Best economy in 150 years? Nope. Not even close.

Oh wow, so the Wuhan Designer Virus® altered the trajectory of the economy?

ROFL

You fascists are such clowns.

We KNOW what you did in 2019-20 with lockdowns.

If we isolate 2017-18 we show the most robust economic growth in a century and a half.

 

[LV426]

It's how politics work in free societies. You just can't see beyond your blind subservience to your Reich.

Oh really? This from the guy who thought Lincoln ran a 3P campaign with no Congressional support, even though Republicans controlled hundreds of House and Senate seats.

You just make things up. That's all you can do now because none of your beliefs have any merits, and you know it.

 

[Uncensored2008]

Compromise.
Fact is libertarians are more socially aligned w/ dims and more fiscally aligned w/ pubs.

Not anymore.

The LPUSA is full blown socialist now.

 

[LV426]

Trump managed to get the GOP to back him, despite their hatred of him - based on his popularity with the people.

What popularity? He's popular among Nazis and bigots, but not among the rest of us.

You hold party above the people - well, above EVERYTHING - so you don't grasp it. Trump effectively WAS a third party president.

Look at this toolbag trying to talk himself into being an independent voter and not a reflexive Conservative hack.

 

[LV426]

I have no objection to the formation of actually viable alternative parties
which can compete in races from local school committee to POTUS.
I in fact would encourage it.

It would end presidential elections as we know them--
nobody will win the required number of electoral votes--
but frankly, those are usually shit shows anyway.

My point is that if the CURRENT alternate party voters
really don't believe that either the Republican or Democratic Party candidate
is any better or worse that the other,

then they have nothing to lose for making a protest vote
for a candidate that we realistically KNOW
is not going to win.

The hard part for me
is how anybody can feel
that the two candidates among whom the actual winner will definitely emerge
are perfectly equal in their potential as POTUS.

No matter one's point of view,
doesn't one of them HAVE to be less objectionable than the other?

You can tell it's a grift if the party nominating the moron doesn't run enough candidates downballot for that moron to actually enact any of their agenda.

 

[LV426]

Yes, you fear that a third party run with derail Bought and Paid For.

All a 3P POTUS can do is rule by executive authority because you idiots didn't bother to elect enough 3P legislators to write, introduce, and vote for their agenda.

So by default, a 3P vote is a vote for fascism.

I'll give you a clue - Quid Pro can't win even without a third party spoiler. Your Reich depends on election tampering - putting the opposition candidate in prison and again rigging the vote. You know full well you can't win in a free and fair election.

Trump lost a free and fair election because like you, he couldn't keep his stupid mouth shut.

 

[anonymoose]

Possible, but she's always been like this since I've been here.

She's particularly feisty on this subject. I'm thinking a libertarian dumped her in the past.

 

[LV426]

Yet you do.

Well that's because I do know what I'm talking about and have thought it through.

I've put in the work and effort. When can I expect that to be reciprocated? Or are you just not capable of thinking that much?

Sure I can.

But you didn't answer the question.

A 3P POTUS can't build a political coalition if they have no one to start.

 

[LV426]

Compromise.

How? What does compromise look like? Take me through the steps, because I don't see it.

The parts I don't see are where, when, and how the 3P agenda is introduced in Congress and in committee?

If the 3P POTUS has no 3P members in Congress, who writes the legislation, who introduces it, and who votes for it?

These are questions you should be asking yourself, or at least have thought about...I shouldn't be the one to have to ask them.

 

[Callinectes]

Grow the fuck up.

Who's the adult in the room with you right now? Because you ain't it.




No, I think it's better to act like an adult in a democracy and not a petulant child insulated by privilege.

Is that possible, or are you just too fucking old to make that change?

Wow. You really have been gone a long time, haven’t you? We became a REPUBLIC in 1789!

 

[Dutch Uncle]

She's particularly feisty on this subject. I'm thinking a libertarian dumped her in the past.

She's very emotional. Passionate to the extreme which is why I suspect bipolarism or, as AProudLefty once suggested, autism. I don't know much about autism, but after a review, consider it a valid possibility.

 

[LV426]

I don't know if Donald Trump won in 2020 - nor do you, nor does your Fuhrer.

I know that Trump got 74 million votes.

Neither I, nor anyone else knows how many legitimate votes Quid Pro got.

The Integrity Project has documented 21 million illegitimate registered voters in the nation. With mail in voting that failed to even check signatures, we can extrapolate that these 21 million dead and redundant (moved to a different state or district) registrations all were cast for Biden.

Of the 82 million attributed to Biden, that would make 61 million legitimate votes. This is highly likely - but unprovable - which is WHY the Nazi party uses this to rig elections. Though we see it clearly - it cannot be proven. It can be stopped by cleaning registration rolls - which is WHY you Nazis have spent over a BILLION dollars to STOP registration rolls from being cleaned.

The Nazi democrat party cannot win free and fair elections - so you make sure they are NEVER free and fair.

Trump lost and the reason was because of you, in the end.

In the end, it was your big, fat, fucking mouth that you couldn't keep shut. Every time you opened it, every time you posted bullshit like this, every time you butted your way into an argument your shittiness caused people to vote for Biden.

In the end, it was your own fat mouth that cost you...and you don't seem to have learned your lesson.

 

[Uncensored2008]

I just wanted to quote this again because it is the stupidest thing I've read all year and that includes Flash's posts.

The Republican Party, which Lincoln ran in, was founded in 1854, six years before the 1860 election and by the time Lincoln won the Presidency, the GOP already controlled 116 seats in the House and 26 in the Senate.

I really, really can't understand how you could get something so fucking wrong like this. I mean this is shit you learn as a kid in elementary school. Yeah, you were definitely homeschooled.

The major parties were Whig, and democrat (slaver)

Abraham Lincoln was not only the first Republican President in history - but the first Republican candidate for president - you nitwit. The very definition of third party. Republicans only had existed a scant 6 years - hardly the major political force you fantasize about.

What did democrat and establishment journalist Bill Moyers say in 2012?

{Abraham Lincoln — who ran as a Republican during the era of Whigs and Democrats — was America’s last third-party candidate to successfully win the presidency.

Although the two-party system leaves third-party candidates little hope of being elected into office, such candidates have continued to run — and by doing so, have sometimes influenced the outcome of elections and shifted the national conversation.

Use the small arrows below to view some of the most famous third-party candidates, their words and their impact while trying to change American politics and the country from the outside in.}

Third-Party Candidates from Lincoln to Nader | BillMoyers.com

The ONLY reason Lincoln won in 1860 is that the slaver party split between North and South - and ran THREE different candidates, splitting the vote. The three filthy democrats combined had a greater total of EC votes than Lincoln, but no single slaver could break 180.

Lincoln, the “Third Party” President | Ted Glick

 

[Stone]

LV KNOWS and fears that if Kennedy runs as an Indy that he will take quite a few votes away from Joe and the Ho in the general election. Kennedy will doom the Democrats. I really dont think at this point they can buy him off either.