Question for our gun enthusiast friends.

Adolf_Twitler said:
The NRA has bought and paid for- lock, stock, and barrel- every single Republican in the Senate!

WTF are you talking about?

How do you like the new do?

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No problem.

Planned Parenthood has bought and paid for every Democrat baby killer in the House and Senate.
 
CFM said:
No, whether accessories are arms involves being correct or incorrect. Whether or not they should be banned involved being right or wrong.
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Okay, following that line of thinking, consider this:

The barrel, the stock, the receiver, and the sights are all just parts. The cartridge will still fire without a gun at all! So according to your line of thinking, a gun itself is just an accessory.
 
Into the Night said:
Okay, following that line of thinking, consider this:

The barrel, the stock, the receiver, and the sights are all just parts. The cartridge will still fire without a gun at all! So according to your line of thinking, a gun itself is just an accessory.
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It's not a gun without a barrel. Idiot. A scope is not required for something to fire. A barrel is.
 
CFM said:
You're not firing it if it's not though a barrel.

Interesting how you modify my post. Just like StoneByStone does.
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Sure you can. All you have to do is smack the back of the cartridge. You don't need a barrel. A barrel is purely optional.

I cannot modify your post. Your post is still intact. I modified the quote from it to center on the issue, not Holy Links. You are not paying attention to my posts with StoneByStone. For some reason, you are being really stupid on this point. In case you haven't noticed, I often agree with you. Why you insist on this particular path in your posts is beyond me.
 
Into the Night said:
Sure you can. All you have to do is smack the back of the cartridge. You don't need a barrel. A barrel is purely optional.

I cannot modify your post. Your post is still intact. I modified the quote from it to center on the issue, not Holy Links. You are not paying attention to my posts with StoneByStone. For some reason, you are being really stupid on this point. In case you haven't noticed, I often agree with you. Why you insist on this particular path in your posts is beyond me.
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Not how it works. Take it from an expert.

For some reason, you aren't man enough to admit your sock has been discovered. Why you continue to lie is obvious. Why you can't be a man isn't.
 
CFM said:
Not how it works. Take it from an expert.

For some reason, you aren't man enough to admit your sock has been discovered. Why you continue to lie is obvious. Why you can't be a man isn't.
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I've been silently following this discussion, and I agree with Into The Night that accessories are also arms, thus also protected by the 2nd Amendment.

The 2nd Amendment places no stipulations on magazine size, gun size/design, type of ammunition, rate of fire, type of action, 'acceptable' accessories, and etc... It doesn't stipulate which gun modifications are 'acceptable'. It point blank states that people have the right to keep and bear arms. People inherently have the right to defend themselves.

He is also correct that a barrel is not required to fire a cartridge. It most certainly improves the effectiveness of the process, but it is not a requirement.
 
gfm7175 said:
I've been silently following this discussion, and I agree with Into The Night that accessories are also arms, thus also protected by the 2nd Amendment.

The 2nd Amendment places no stipulations on magazine size, gun size/design, type of ammunition, rate of fire, type of action, 'acceptable' accessories, and etc... It doesn't stipulate which gun modifications are 'acceptable'. It point blank states that people have the right to keep and bear arms. People inherently have the right to defend themselves.

He is also correct that a barrel is not required to fire a cartridge. It most certainly improves the effectiveness of the process, but it is not a requirement.
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Not by definition, they're not arms. They aren't required for the arm to function. Don't take that as I believe they can be banned. They simply don't meet the definition.

Firing a cartridge involves a process that can only be done by a firearm.
 
CFM said:
Not by definition, they're not arms. They aren't required for the arm to function. Don't take that as I believe they can be banned. They simply don't meet the definition.

Firing a cartridge involves a process that can only be done by a firearm.
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What both sides of this "firing a cartridge" seem to be unable to present, is that YES you can fire a cartridge without a firearm; but it's not going to travel farther then a few feet and with no accuracy..

Without a barrel, the brass cartridge expands and the lead bullet will go in the direction of the least resistance; ie: any way it can.

The barrel is designed to keep the gunpowder "explosion" forcing the lead bullet in a specific direction.

Can we now put this to rest??

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CFM said:
Not how it works. Take it from an expert.
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I take it you're not an expert. That is exactly how it works. It is exactly what the gun does to the cartridge when you pull the trigger. The gun is optional. Smack the primer area on the back of the cartridge and it will fire. You do not need the gun. The gun is optional.
CFM said:
For some reason, you aren't man enough to admit your sock has been discovered.
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Another moron that believes I have a forum sock.
CFM said:
Why you continue to lie is obvious.
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I guess you never learned about the construction of a modern rifle or pistol cartridge.
CFM said:
Why you can't be a man isn't.
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I don't need a gun to be a man, either.

That sorta happens because of my parents, you see.

Perhaps you never learned about that as well.
 
CFM said:
Not by definition, they're not arms. They aren't required for the arm to function. Don't take that as I believe they can be banned. They simply don't meet the definition.

Firing a cartridge involves a process that can only be done by a firearm.
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Nope. You can fire a cartridge all by itself. All you gotta do is give it a good thwack on the primer. The primer contains a shock sensitive explosive such as mercury fulminate or potassium chlorate and a sulfur source, such as antimony sulfide. Some designs use a tiny, star shaped piece that crushes the crystals into an 'anvil' upon impact. Other just depend on crushing the crystals between the back of the cartidge and the propellant up front.

Thwacking a primer crushes the crystals, setting off the explosion. That in turn ignites the propellant (usually gun cotton these days, also called smokeless powder). The pressure in the cartridge will force the bullet and cartridge to separate. If the cartridge is firmly held in place, the bullet WILL travel forward, though in almost any direction up to some 45 deg off the alignment of the cartridge). The gun is optional. Like other accessories, it improves the shot or usefulness for some particular purpose.

Want to try another one? Does a sword need a hilt to function?
 
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CFM said:
Not by definition, they're not arms.
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A cartridge isn't an arm? You CAN kill a man with just thwacking a lone cartridge. People have died as a result of being near a railroad track that had a cartridge place on the rail for the train to run over it.
CFM said:
They aren't required for the arm to function.
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I think you are getting confused.
CFM said:
Don't take that as I believe they can be banned. They simply don't meet the definition.
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A lone cartridge can be an arm. A gun is not required.
CFM said:
Firing a cartridge involves a process that can only be done by a firearm.
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WRONG. You obviously have no concept of how a firearm works or how a modern cartridge works.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
What both sides of this "firing a cartridge" seem to be unable to present, is that YES you can fire a cartridge without a firearm; but it's not going to travel farther then a few feet and with no accuracy..
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True, but in that few feet the bullet can be damaging, even lethal. It probably won't be, but it can be.
USFREEDOM911 said:
Without a barrel, the brass cartridge expands and the lead bullet will go in the direction of the least resistance; ie: any way it can.
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Typically in any direction up to about 45 deg off center from the cartridge. It depends on which side of the crimp gives way first and when.
USFREEDOM911 said:
The barrel is designed to keep the gunpowder "explosion" forcing the lead bullet in a specific direction.
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True. This increases both range (a LOT!) and accuracy. It IS an optional device, however; which is my point to CFM.
USFREEDOM911 said:
Can we now put this to rest??
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Doubtful. CFM is still trying to make the argument that accessories such as barrels, receivers, gun stocks or butts, sights, scopes, laser sighting systems, etc. are not arms. He just can't decide on what is an 'accessory' or not.
 
Into the Night said:
I take it you're not an expert. That is exactly how it works. It is exactly what the gun does to the cartridge when you pull the trigger. The gun is optional. Smack the primer area on the back of the cartridge and it will fire. You do not need the gun. The gun is optional.

Another moron that believes I have a forum sock.

I guess you never learned about the construction of a modern rifle or pistol cartridge.

I don't need a gun to be a man, either.

That sorta happens because of my parents, you see.

Perhaps you never learned about that as well.
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I take it you refuse to accept the facts stated by an expert.

Another liar that won't acknowledge his is a sock

I guess you still refuse to accept the word of an expert.

You couldn't be a man if you tried. It takes what you'll never have.
 
Into the Night said:
True, but in that few feet the bullet can be damaging, even lethal. It probably won't be, but it can be.

Typically in any direction up to about 45 deg off center from the cartridge. It depends on which side of the crimp gives way first and when.

True. This increases both range (a LOT!) and accuracy. It IS an optional device, however; which is my point to CFM.

Doubtful. CFM is still trying to make the argument that accessories such as barrels, receivers, gun stocks or butts, sights, scopes, laser sighting systems, etc. are not arms. He just can't decide on what is an 'accessory' or not.
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They aren't arms.
 
Into the Night said:
A cartridge isn't an arm? You CAN kill a man with just thwacking a lone cartridge. People have died as a result of being near a railroad track that had a cartridge place on the rail for the train to run over it.

I think you are getting confused.

A lone cartridge can be an arm. A gun is not required.

WRONG. You obviously have no concept of how a firearm works or how a modern cartridge works.
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A cartridge is not an arm. It's what an arm fires.

You should really spend some time in the gun business and learn the difference. That's what experts do and it's why experts know the difference. You simply want to troll just like you other sock accounts.
 
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