Question for pro-choicers

Flash said:
It would not be murder unless the state law provided that an unborn child could be murdered. Today only a person can be murdered and an unborn child is not considered a person (cannot inherit, make contracts, etc.).
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Can a child make contracts?
 
g r i n d said:
I don't understand the rape argument. Would we abort a living 1 year old child that was the product of rape? People would say no, it's a kid and not its fault that one of its parents were raped.
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That type of behavior is probably genetic. Why would you want to create another potential rapist? Same for incest. Why would you want another retard walking around?

Here's another theoretical. Suppose you had a Jim Jones type who developed a huge cult following, and when the KoolAide time came he killed all the men and gave the women a coma inducing drug, then inseminated all of them. 1000 women. Would you really want 1000 Jim Jones kids running around?
 
Dark Soul said:
That type of behavior is probably genetic. Why would you want to create another potential rapist? Same for incest. Why would you want another retard walking around?

Here's another theoretical. Suppose you had a Jim Jones type who developed a huge cult following, and when the KoolAide time came he killed all the men and gave the women a coma inducing drug, then inseminated all of them. 1000 women. Would you really want 1000 Jim Jones kids running around?
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Silly

Now if you are talking about aborting all muslimes then I am on board
 
StoneByStone said:
The male has a choice here too. If he doesn't want to risk having to provide, simply don't have vaginal sex.
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So you seem to be placing on the blame on the guy, when the woman could also refrain from vaginal sex; BUTT (pun intended) you can guess how that's going to go.

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Teflon Don said:
Fair point but unfortunately the woman has more responsibility because she has more at risk. It may not be fair, but that is just a true fact
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And she gets to decide whether or not to have the child. It's not entirely fair, but the system we have now as far as the law goes is the best we can do.
 
StoneByStone said:
And she gets to decide whether or not to have the child. It's not entirely fair, but the system we have now as far as the law goes is the best we can do.
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No, it's not the best we can do; because what's wrong with the guy saying he doesn't want to care for a child, the woman just says "tough shit", carries the child to term, and then FORCES the guy to provide support??
 
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StoneByStone said:
I'm not placing blame on anyone.


Do you put this at the end of every post?
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Yes you did; because you said the following:

StoneByStone said:
The male has a choice here too. If he doesn't want to risk having to provide, simply don't have vaginal sex.
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I see nothing in there saying the woman should refrain from vaginal sex.

I put it at the end of those that I find the post I'm referring to, as not being well thought out or just plain asinine to begin with.

Does it bother you??
 
StoneByStone said:
And she gets to decide whether or not to have the child. It's not entirely fair, but the system we have now as far as the law goes is the best we can do.
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She shouldn’t be allowed to kill a child for convenience. We will change it. It will take time

It does t get reported by the democrat media industrial complex but younger adults are actually more pro life thanks to science.

50 years from now society will look back in horror knowing that tens of millions of babies were murdered strictly for convenience.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
No, it's not the best we can do; because what's wrong with the guy saying he doesn't want to care for a child, the woman just says "tough shit", carries the child to term, and then FORCES the guy to provide support??
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Yes, it's not entirely fair, but when a guy has vaginal sex, he knows what he's risking. It's not like he has no choice in the matter.
 
StoneByStone said:
And if the parents can't because they're poor, too bad for that stupid baby.
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Why? They have all the same welfare benefits under both Democrats and Republicans and those benefits continue to increase. This year's budget increased discretionary non-defense spending 11%. If Republicans require work for able bodied adults without children that has no effect on the baby.
 
StoneByStone said:
Yes, it's not entirely fair, but when a guy has vaginal sex, he knows what he's risking. It's not like he has no choice in the matter.
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No, it's not entirely fair; but when the woman has vaginal sex, she knows what she's risking, It's not like she has no choice in the matter.

Unless you're saying that women aren't intelligent enough to realize what the risks are??
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
I see nothing in there saying the woman should refrain from vaginal sex.
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If she doesn't want to get preggers, then she should refrain from vaginal sex too. She should get a man who eats pussy.

I put it at the end of those that I find the post I'm referring to, as not being well thought out or just plain asinine to begin with.
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So pretty much any idea you don't like.
 
g r i n d said:
well mental health is a really vague term. I believe that was one of the main issues recently, where "health of the mother" included mental health and that was not defined. Would it be ok to abort a baby if the mom was suicidal or thought to become suicidal if she gave birth?
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Well, if she succeeds in suicide the baby dies too, eh? I don't know. I can see extremely few circumstances in which I myself would have an abortion. I have five living children and in that sense am "pro-life," obviously. But do I have the right to tell a pregnant drug addict that she must carry to term and deliver a child who will suffer from lifelong physical and cognitive problems? Do I have the right to tell a woman who just found out that her fetus has no brain other than the brainstem, that she must give birth to a child who will die shortly thereafter? Do I have the right to tell a 12-yo who was raped by her uncle that she has to give birth because some religious whacktoids believe that it's a "blessing" to be knocked up?

Here's a story about someone who says she had an abortion for mental health reasons.

https://people.com/health/tess-holliday-abortion-story-suicidal-thoughts/
 
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