Question on guns

[CFM]

We should face it, that having a gun in the home makes us more likely to get shot. Just the fact. Guns are sold as protection, yet put your life in more danger. And your family is in more danger. If you choose to risk your families life with weapons, have at it. The right to understanding facts is not in the constitution.

You know the reason why every gun own bought a gun? Interesting.

I've been around guns all my life and have owned more in number than your two digit IQ. If what you say is true, wouldn't having the amount I've had put me at a proportionally greater risk? Yet I'm still here.

 

[Flash]

We should face it, that having a gun in the home makes us more likely to get shot. Just the fact. Guns are sold as protection, yet put your life in more danger. And your family is in more danger. If you choose to risk your families life with weapons, have at it. The right to understanding facts is not in the constitution.

Nobody knows who you are replying to..............?

 

[Flash]

Have a problem with facts when they dispute your beliefs. Of course you do. Research and data are wrong. Your stubbornness, born lacking information and facts, willl not be moved. Typical gun nut.

Nobody knows what post you are replying to.

 

[domer76]

That might be true, but does that mean we should deprive people of freedoms in order to reduce those injuries or deaths? Gun laws have become more lenient in recent years as more states have allowed concealed or open carry; yet, homicides have continued to decline for 20+ years.

Accidental gun deaths have also declined in recent years.

Gun deaths have remained steady or risen. CDC:

“In 2016, about 38,000 Americans died from gun-related wounds — a death rate of about 12 per 100,000 people. That was up from about 36,000 deaths in 2015, or a rate of about 11 per 100,000 people.

For the previous 15 years, however, gun deaths had held fairly steady at about 33,500 Americans each year — a rate of about 10 per 100,000 people.”

 

[Flash]

Gun deaths have remained steady or risen. CDC:

“In 2016, about 38,000 Americans died from gun-related wounds — a death rate of about 12 per 100,000 people. That was up from about 36,000 deaths in 2015, or a rate of about 11 per 100,000 people.

For the previous 15 years, however, gun deaths had held fairly steady at about 33,500 Americans each year — a rate of about 10 per 100,000 people.”

"Gun violence has received no shortage of attention. But one bright spot has gotten much less: the number of accidental shooting deaths has steadily declined.
There were 489 people killed in unintentional shootings in the U.S. in 2015, the most recent year for which data is available. That was down from 824 deaths in 1999, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Taking into account population growth over that time, the rate fell 48%.

Experts attribute the decline to a mix of gun safety education programs, state laws regulating gun storage in homes and a drop in the number of households that have guns. While the improvement occurred in every state, those with the most guns and the fewest laws continue to have the most accidental shooting deaths.

The gains were overshadowed by an overall rise in gun deaths driven by the top two causes: suicides and homicides. Accidents made up just 1.3% of the 36,247 U.S.
shooting deaths in 2015."

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-accidental-gun-deaths-20180101-story.htmly

My main point was about the long-term trend. It can always go up or down every year, but we have to look at the trend over time:

Total Deaths by Firearms per 100,000
1993: 15.2
2014: 10.5

Homicides by Firearms per 100,000
1993: 7.0
2014: 3.4

Suicides by Firearms per 100,000
1993: 7.2
2014: 6.7

Total Homicide Rate per 100,000
1970: 7.9
1980: 10.2
1990: 9.4
2000: 5.5
2010: 4.8
2014: 4.5

All this was occurring while almost all states were implementing handgun carry laws. I don't think that had anything to do with fewer deaths, but neither can we say it caused more. While the number of guns increased the percentage of households with guns has continued to decline (as have hunting licenses).

 

[domer76]

"Gun violence has received no shortage of attention. But one bright spot has gotten much less: the number of accidental shooting deaths has steadily declined.
There were 489 people killed in unintentional shootings in the U.S. in 2015, the most recent year for which data is available. That was down from 824 deaths in 1999, according to the Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Taking into account population growth over that time, the rate fell 48%.

Experts attribute the decline to a mix of gun safety education programs, state laws regulating gun storage in homes and a drop in the number of households that have guns. While the improvement occurred in every state, those with the most guns and the fewest laws continue to have the most accidental shooting deaths.

The gains were overshadowed by an overall rise in gun deaths driven by the top two causes: suicides and homicides. Accidents made up just 1.3% of the 36,247 U.S.
shooting deaths in 2015."

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-accidental-gun-deaths-20180101-story.htmly

My main point was about the long-term trend. It can always go up or down every year, but we have to look at the trend over time:

Total Deaths by Firearms per 100,000
1993: 15.2
2014: 10.5

Homicides by Firearms per 100,000
1993: 7.0
2014: 3.4

Suicides by Firearms per 100,000
1993: 7.2
2014: 6.7

Total Homicide Rate per 100,000
1970: 7.9
1980: 10.2
1990: 9.4
2000: 5.5
2010: 4.8
2014: 4.5

All this was occurring while almost all states were implementing handgun carry laws. I don't think that had anything to do with fewer deaths, but neither can we say it caused more. While the number of guns increased the percentage of households with guns has continued to decline (as have hunting licenses).

Gun proponents tend to cherry-pick gun deaths. Some point to just homicides, some will refer to accidentals. The fact is that violent crimes, as a whole, have declined since the 90s.

I always refer to gun deaths. They, BTW, are ALWAYS violent. And they have held steady at 30,000+ for years. The highest rate of any Western society.

And any thinking person knows why.

 

[Nordberg]

You know the reason why every gun own bought a gun? Interesting.

I've been around guns all my life and have owned more in number than your two digit IQ. If what you say is true, wouldn't having the amount I've had put me at a proportionally greater risk? Yet I'm still here.

Incident not proving the case. How many kids get shot every year? How many people suicide themselves with guns? How many people get shot accidently.? https://www.bradycampaign.org/key-gun-violence-statistics You and your famiily are immune from this, ..until you aren't. Then it is too late. Post says 23 kids shot every day. Shot with a gun. In order to join that stat, you need a gun. You have them. You have been lucky, that is all.

 

[CFM]

Incident not proving the case. How many kids get shot every year? How many people suicide themselves with guns? How many people get shot accidently.? https://www.bradycampaign.org/key-gun-violence-statistics You and your famiily are immune from this, ..until you aren't. Then it is too late. Post says 23 kids shot every day. Shot with a gun. In order to join that stat, you need a gun. You have them. You have been lucky, that is all.

How many kids are in car wrecks every year? How many die texting and driving? Are you saying people that commit suicide with guns wouldn't kill themselves if guns were't available?

Since you don't know me or my situation, to say anything about why something hasn't happened is nothing more than a gun hating, Obama NL like you running his dick sucker.

After over 50 years and multiple generations being around them without an incident, luck has nothing to do with it.

If you think guns are such a bad thing, when should I expect you to try and take mine to protect me from something that hasn't happened? Unless you're man enough to try, I suggest you STFU.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Incident not proving the case. How many kids get shot every year? How many people suicide themselves with guns? How many people get shot accidently.? https://www.bradycampaign.org/key-gun-violence-statistics You and your famiily are immune from this, ..until you aren't. Then it is too late. Post says 23 kids shot every day. Shot with a gun. In order to join that stat, you need a gun. You have them. You have been lucky, that is all.

You do realize that your "example" could also be said for cars.

If you own and drive a car, you're more likely to die in a car accident; then someone who doesn't own or drive a car.
If you take the bus, you're more likely to die in a bus accident; then someone who doesn't ride the bus.
If you eat, you're more likely to die from food poisoning; then someone who doesn't eat.
If you go outside during the day, you're more likely to die from melanoma cancer; then someone who doesn't go outside during the day.
If you take plane trips, you're more likely to die from a plane crash; then someone who doesn't take plane trips.
If you engage in sexual practices, you are more likely to have an orgasm; then someone who doesn't engage in sexual practices.
etc.
etc.

 

[Nordberg]

Cars are regulated to make them safer. They are safer and safer all the time. People who drive cars are backing safer cars. Not like gun nuts. You are very bad at logic. Never been shot, so I never will. OK. You will live forever, since you have so far. Man enough? You are a crazy man aren't you. Just the kind of person who should not have a gun. Anger and immaturity issues should preclude you.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Cars are regulated to make them safer. They are safer and safer all the time. People who drive cars are backing safer cars. Not like gun nuts. You are very bad at logic. Never been shot, so I never will. OK. You will live forever, since you have so far. Man enough? You are a crazy man aren't you. Just the kind of person who should not have a gun. Anger and immaturity issues should preclude you.

If they're regulated so much, then why are people still dying in them??
Since you've never been in a car accident, so you never will be. OK
Since you obviously have a problem learning how to use the quote feature, means you will never learn how to use it.
The only one who's exhibiting anger and immaturity, is you; when you whine.

 

[TrippyHippy]

Cars are regulated to make them safer. They are safer and safer all the time. People who drive cars are backing safer cars. Not like gun nuts.

Huh, well that's fascinating actually. Because according to the CDC, there's actually little over a hundred more deaths each year related to motor vehicles (33,736) than related to firearms (33,594). And alcohol kills tens of thousands more than either at a whopping average of 88,000 DPY. But I don't suppose you think we should ban alcohol..

I would post my sources but this forum apparently won't let me post links until I have 5 posts. So that is what it is. Easily googleable though, if you're skeptical.

 

[TrippyHippy]

I'm at 5 posts now, so here are those sources:

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/fastats/injury.htm
https://www.niaaa.nih.gov/alcohol-health/overview-alcohol-consumption/alcohol-facts-and-statistics

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Huh, well that's fascinating actually. Because according to the CDC, there's actually little over a hundred more deaths each year related to motor vehicles (33,736) than related to firearms (33,594). And alcohol kills tens of thousands more than either at a whopping average of 88,000 DPY. But I don't suppose you think we should ban alcohol..

I would post my sources but this forum apparently won't let me post links until I have 5 posts. So that is what it is. Easily googleable though, if you're skeptical.

 

[Nordberg]

You have a constitutional right to put your children in jeopardy from guns. They are less safe when you have a gun. But you can play cowboy anytime you want and pretend you are living in Tombstone during the late 1800s. Constitution does not prohibit bazookas. I want one. Silent on nukes. I have a right to one.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

You have a constitutional right to put your children in jeopardy from guns. They are less safe when you have a gun. But you can play cowboy anytime you want and pretend you are living in Tombstone during the late 1800s. Constitution does not prohibit bazookas. I want one. Silent on nukes. I have a right to one.

 

[Nordberg]

If they're regulated so much, then why are people still dying in them??
Since you've never been in a car accident, so you never will be. OK
Since you obviously have a problem learning how to use the quote feature, means you will never learn how to use it.
The only one who's exhibiting anger and immaturity, is you; when you whine.

The reason cars cause deaths is because immature people drive shitty. Some people make a mistake. But we have speed limits. We have stop lights and stop signs. You have to take training and get a license to drive. We have improved cars over and over to make them safer. We recognize there is some inherent danger in driving and we try to mitigate it. We make the cars safer. Really, autos is a bad argument to justify guns and fighting limitations on them.
The entire argument you offer is ridiculous and shows immaturity . But then you are probably in high school.

 

[Flash]

You have a constitutional right to put your children in jeopardy from guns. They are less safe when you have a gun. But you can play cowboy anytime you want and pretend you are living in Tombstone during the late 1800s. Constitution does not prohibit bazookas. I want one. Silent on nukes. I have a right to one.

Instead of complaining about a lack of laws, you need to get familiar with the thousands of laws that already exist. The recent

decline in accidental gun deaths is due partly to those laws.

"The rates for males under 15 was far lower, perhaps due to so-called child access prevention laws, which allow for criminal or civil charges to be filed against a gun owner if a child gains access to a firearm that is not securely stored.

Congress has resisted making such legislation. But a total of 27 states now have such laws, with 14 states making improper gun storage a criminal offense.

In Hawaii and Massachusetts, a person could face criminal charges even if the firearm is unloaded. Massachusetts, which has the lowest rate of unintentional deaths nationwide, is the only state to require that all firearms be stored with a locking device.

In California, a law signed by Democratic Gov. Jerry Brown in 2013 made it a third-degree misdemeanor to knowingly store a loaded firearm in a place where an unsupervised child could have access to it.

But experts say such laws are probably only part of the story behind the statistics."

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-accidental-gun-deaths-20180101-story.html

You obviously do not have a constitution right to put your children in jeopardy since these laws prohibit you from doing so.

 

[Eagle_Eye]

Why do you think fully automatic weapons have been used so infrequently in crimes in the US?

What kind of crimes? Robbery, murder, mass shootings?

 

[USFREEDOM911]

The reason cars cause deaths is because immature people drive shitty. Some people make a mistake. But we have speed limits. We have stop lights and stop signs. You have to take training and get a license to drive. We have improved cars over and over to make them safer. We recognize there is some inherent danger in driving and we try to mitigate it. We make the cars safer. Really, autos is a bad argument to justify guns and fighting limitations on them.
The entire argument you offer is ridiculous and shows immaturity . But then you are probably in high school.

Following your "train of thought"; are you suggesting that all drivers drive the speed limit, stop at stop lights and stop at stop signs?